Never ceases to crack me up when conservatives try to downplay the politics of Star Trek. Like, it’s about a socialist society written by a self ID’d communist. There’s the episode in TNG when they fetch a rich guy out of stasis and Picard has to gently explain to him that the economy his wealth was part of doesn’t exist anymore.

I mean, Roddenberry definitely had a lot of issues but he was always clear about his views on political economy.

You could make a fork that’s identical and just name the versions independently if it matters that much to you.

tbh suckless tools sound better than they are

Just some answers from my own reading and personal experience.

Does that mean that the ideology as a whole should be rejected from our instance? What about those that were unaware of its origins and simply wanted to establish a commune off-the-grid?

Then when they violate the rules it will be, what do the liberals call it, a teachable moment for them. How they handle being respectfully but firmly challenged about it will give a good indicator how good a fit they are for the instance.

Also, are these online communities or IRL ones you have visited?

I’ve dealt with anti-civ types online and offline. The milieu is definitely dominated by racist, often ableist, often transphobic thinking. They take bourgeois ideology about nature and natural selection and mistake it for an actual understanding of ecology. This always has social implications because we come from nature. What is supposed to be “natural” for people then becomes a political question.

A lot of anti-civ types do literally embrace the idea of survival of the fittest as a valid way of determining who deserves to live and die. It’s social darwinism with a green twist, basically.

Many explicitly reject the entire concept of mass politics because they believe any commitment to working-class politics perpetuates industrialism which is an evil in their eyes. They accept their ideas have no merit for most people, especially workers and just sort of write off most of humanity. In this sense it is explicitly an elitist ideology.

Sort of reminds me of certain toxic strains of Christianity – everybody except the true believers are just scum who deserve to burn in hell, or at least can have their literal lives just written off.

There is variation, of course, this is a generalization, some individuals are less problematic about it than others.

But by and large the milieu is reactionary and counter-revolutionary. They’d rather let the working-class die off en masse than give us a chance to build a genuinely sustainable and equitable civilization for the first time in history.

Anti-civ types are outright reactionaries. They should be barred from any community.