I agree with Rainer that the Amerikan left (including the settler ‘left’) are capable machines for revolution so long as they/we (we as in I, a white leftist) work alongside and under the leadership of the colonized masses. I also agree that treating the masses like an enemy is a failing strategy, and that Amerikan workers are benefiting from colonialism less and less - Amerika is not an extractivist social democracy like the Scandinavian countries, superprofits benefit a smaller and smaller caste of people as capitalism continues to devour itself, etc.
The RAWM shit is silly and acting like the disproportionate support Sakai gets from the non-white left is a problem that needs to be solved… blegh. Sakai has his value, Settlers had and has its value, even if some things have changed or some bits were slightly inaccurate. Its thesis is historically important, its history needs to be internalized so that the white left does not fall into the settler socialist praxis it so often has before.
RAWM is also astroturfed and they’re fucking proud of it. The anti-imperialist movement will not have Platinum, Gold, and Silver packages you can purchase to show your ‘level of support’, are you joking? Why the fuck should we consider RAWM the most important anti-war movement that currently exists when organizations like ANSWER, CodePink, PSL, PCUSA, Black Alliance for Peace, etc. are empirically doing far more? The media’s not reporting on it because those groups don’t buy out news rags or have the backing of Ron and Rand fucking Paul. Talk about settler socialism.
End point, just saying you’re totally right, givin my own two cents, etc.
I’mma keep it real with you: I don’t even believe it’s action coming from upward to Shea. No, that smells of settler discomfort to me; which I’ve learned over this past few years is not limited to just settler-amerikans.
By who and to what end? Why should I believe in the words of a white left fundamentally incapable of even recognizing the Two Amerikas philosophy, let alone mobilizing to do anything about it beyond endless platitudes of ‘class war only’?
Please don’t attempt to validate your theory with an an individual Black person’s opinions. Sakai wasn’t disproven because some Black person said so, it needs to be met with contrary evidence.
Allison from Red Menace already destroyed a similar take from the CPUSA who used Angela Davis’s opinion to validate their position that Black Liberation can be solved through assimilation, it’s horseshit.
Reputable source? Liberalism moment. Theory and evidence over clout. Black Americans are in the worst economic situation since Segregation and it isn’t because we failed the revolution. Assimilation is not a solution to our problems.
Do you know what I see when I look at Henry Winston? I see someone who turned his back on liberation to play adjacent to those who’d eventually spawn tailists. I see a proto-misleader; who bet if he didn’t wind up dead in exile? Would probably have been a member of the Congressional Black Caucus with how much co-opting the same party that CPUSA likes to align with does to our community.
Just because a revolutionary, no matter how marginal, died in exile, does not make them a be-all, end-all. Fuck, DuBois died in exile and he’s the reason we have these “Talented Tenth”-assed Boulé-aspirants walking around.
Soviet. Not Amerikan. What worked for the Soviets isn’t going to 1:1 work for us; especially not 40, 50, and 60 years removed from those conditions; and I think you’ll find I hold DuBois’s philosophies responsible for the first, second, and soon to be third generation of misleaders. You don’t listen, and I’m tired of trying to explain it to you.
While leaving the Amerikan Black proletariat he descended from to clean up the mess that his ‘Talented Tenth’ assed coons, sellouts, misleaders, and Toms engendered in Amerika. I won’t take away from the wins his writings earned in Africa(that AFRICOM practically immediately rolled back til BRICS); but not here. Here, he left us with adjacency to empire, and jiving for settlers.
Please don’t ever in your life fix your face to namedrop Black revolutionaries in subjects like these; because you’re clearly not in community with us, apparently are incapable of listening to the subjects-of-empire that are before you, all while trying to cudgel us with a pan-african philosophy that shock of shocks, doesn’t change OUR material conditions one whit!
The Soviets have been wrong on many issues, one of the largest being the Israel Question. Western Imperialism managed to destroy the USSR through the consequences of the Israel Question. So twice they’ve failed to recognize the conditions of a Settler Colony, apparently.
It doesn’t matter who was in the CPSU or the CPUSA, what matters is what the party lines ended up being and what affects this has on the Socialist movement. Also the user you’ve replied to is pointing out a major flaw in DuBois, not celebrating him.
Democratic Centralism, not just a Stalin mistake, a party mistake.
Africa has yet to be liberated. It’s weird to claim that. The USSR (and even Russian Federation) had done a lot of good work for Africa (especially helping end apartheid), but they are still colonized.
DuBois’s talented tenth is elitist rubbish, which he eventually changed his mind on.
I say to Rainer Shea the same thing I say to everyone who peddles ‘wrecker’ allegations: show and prove.
I agree with Rainer that the Amerikan left (including the settler ‘left’) are capable machines for revolution so long as they/we (we as in I, a white leftist) work alongside and under the leadership of the colonized masses. I also agree that treating the masses like an enemy is a failing strategy, and that Amerikan workers are benefiting from colonialism less and less - Amerika is not an extractivist social democracy like the Scandinavian countries, superprofits benefit a smaller and smaller caste of people as capitalism continues to devour itself, etc.
The RAWM shit is silly and acting like the disproportionate support Sakai gets from the non-white left is a problem that needs to be solved… blegh. Sakai has his value, Settlers had and has its value, even if some things have changed or some bits were slightly inaccurate. Its thesis is historically important, its history needs to be internalized so that the white left does not fall into the settler socialist praxis it so often has before.
RAWM is also astroturfed and they’re fucking proud of it. The anti-imperialist movement will not have Platinum, Gold, and Silver packages you can purchase to show your ‘level of support’, are you joking? Why the fuck should we consider RAWM the most important anti-war movement that currently exists when organizations like ANSWER, CodePink, PSL, PCUSA, Black Alliance for Peace, etc. are empirically doing far more? The media’s not reporting on it because those groups don’t buy out news rags or have the backing of Ron and Rand fucking Paul. Talk about settler socialism.
End point, just saying you’re totally right, givin my own two cents, etc.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/562920
I’ve yet to see any of these Sakai ultras, yet I’ve seen plenty of overt racists complain about them in Rainer’s comments.
Now rainer got a scandal too? It means he got too big for the likes of da bosses
I’mma keep it real with you: I don’t even believe it’s action coming from upward to Shea. No, that smells of settler discomfort to me; which I’ve learned over this past few years is not limited to just settler-amerikans.
Fair enough. Keep watching, Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day nor was the Soviet Union created in one.
It’s already been proven.
By who and to what end? Why should I believe in the words of a white left fundamentally incapable of even recognizing the Two Amerikas philosophy, let alone mobilizing to do anything about it beyond endless platitudes of ‘class war only’?
This isn’t the white left talking.
This is Henry Winston talking.
Please don’t attempt to validate your theory with an an individual Black person’s opinions. Sakai wasn’t disproven because some Black person said so, it needs to be met with contrary evidence.
Allison from Red Menace already destroyed a similar take from the CPUSA who used Angela Davis’s opinion to validate their position that Black Liberation can be solved through assimilation, it’s horseshit.
Sakai was disproven and is not a theorist; he has also yet to explain his credentials.
Also, Red Menace’s takes on CPUSA have been disproven.
I’ll bite, why does one need to explain their credentials? Is the information and evidence not enough?
In what way has Red Menace been disproven? Care to share the CPUSA’s responses to them?
Red Menace also doesn’t have credentials and is not a reputable source or an activist.
Reputable source? Liberalism moment. Theory and evidence over clout. Black Americans are in the worst economic situation since Segregation and it isn’t because we failed the revolution. Assimilation is not a solution to our problems.
Do you know what I see when I look at Henry Winston? I see someone who turned his back on liberation to play adjacent to those who’d eventually spawn tailists. I see a proto-misleader; who bet if he didn’t wind up dead in exile? Would probably have been a member of the Congressional Black Caucus with how much co-opting the same party that CPUSA likes to align with does to our community.
Just because a revolutionary, no matter how marginal, died in exile, does not make them a be-all, end-all. Fuck, DuBois died in exile and he’s the reason we have these “Talented Tenth”-assed Boulé-aspirants walking around.
Actually, Henry Winston had the backing of the entire Soviet Union and was praised throughout the Soviet world; DuBois was also a CPUSA member.
Soviet. Not Amerikan. What worked for the Soviets isn’t going to 1:1 work for us; especially not 40, 50, and 60 years removed from those conditions; and I think you’ll find I hold DuBois’s philosophies responsible for the first, second, and soon to be third generation of misleaders. You don’t listen, and I’m tired of trying to explain it to you.
Nope. DuBois laid the foundation for the current Pan-African movement.
While leaving the Amerikan Black proletariat he descended from to clean up the mess that his ‘Talented Tenth’ assed coons, sellouts, misleaders, and Toms engendered in Amerika. I won’t take away from the wins his writings earned in Africa(that AFRICOM practically immediately rolled back til BRICS); but not here. Here, he left us with adjacency to empire, and jiving for settlers.
Please don’t ever in your life fix your face to namedrop Black revolutionaries in subjects like these; because you’re clearly not in community with us, apparently are incapable of listening to the subjects-of-empire that are before you, all while trying to cudgel us with a pan-african philosophy that shock of shocks, doesn’t change OUR material conditions one whit!
Frankly, I’m fuckin done with you.
The Soviets have been wrong on many issues, one of the largest being the Israel Question. Western Imperialism managed to destroy the USSR through the consequences of the Israel Question. So twice they’ve failed to recognize the conditions of a Settler Colony, apparently.
It doesn’t matter who was in the CPSU or the CPUSA, what matters is what the party lines ended up being and what affects this has on the Socialist movement. Also the user you’ve replied to is pointing out a major flaw in DuBois, not celebrating him.
That was Stalin.
lol
USSR also liberated Africa.
DuBois wasn’t flawed, certainly not in that way.
Democratic Centralism, not just a Stalin mistake, a party mistake.
Africa has yet to be liberated. It’s weird to claim that. The USSR (and even Russian Federation) had done a lot of good work for Africa (especially helping end apartheid), but they are still colonized.
DuBois’s talented tenth is elitist rubbish, which he eventually changed his mind on.