Do you know what I see when I look at Henry Winston? I see someone who turned his back on liberation to play adjacent to those who’d eventually spawn tailists. I see a proto-misleader; who bet if he didn’t wind up dead in exile? Would probably have been a member of the Congressional Black Caucus with how much co-opting the same party that CPUSA likes to align with does to our community.
Just because a revolutionary, no matter how marginal, died in exile, does not make them a be-all, end-all. Fuck, DuBois died in exile and he’s the reason we have these “Talented Tenth”-assed Boulé-aspirants walking around.
Soviet. Not Amerikan. What worked for the Soviets isn’t going to 1:1 work for us; especially not 40, 50, and 60 years removed from those conditions; and I think you’ll find I hold DuBois’s philosophies responsible for the first, second, and soon to be third generation of misleaders. You don’t listen, and I’m tired of trying to explain it to you.
While leaving the Amerikan Black proletariat he descended from to clean up the mess that his ‘Talented Tenth’ assed coons, sellouts, misleaders, and Toms engendered in Amerika. I won’t take away from the wins his writings earned in Africa(that AFRICOM practically immediately rolled back til BRICS); but not here. Here, he left us with adjacency to empire, and jiving for settlers.
Please don’t ever in your life fix your face to namedrop Black revolutionaries in subjects like these; because you’re clearly not in community with us, apparently are incapable of listening to the subjects-of-empire that are before you, all while trying to cudgel us with a pan-african philosophy that shock of shocks, doesn’t change OUR material conditions one whit!
Actually, we both more or less share the same material conditions, but to varying degrees.
Also, ugh, can’t read all this because it’s just rehashing the same-old ideas that I’ve gone over many times and the way it’s formated makes my ADHD brain go haywire.
The Soviets have been wrong on many issues, one of the largest being the Israel Question. Western Imperialism managed to destroy the USSR through the consequences of the Israel Question. So twice they’ve failed to recognize the conditions of a Settler Colony, apparently.
It doesn’t matter who was in the CPSU or the CPUSA, what matters is what the party lines ended up being and what affects this has on the Socialist movement. Also the user you’ve replied to is pointing out a major flaw in DuBois, not celebrating him.
Democratic Centralism, not just a Stalin mistake, a party mistake.
Africa has yet to be liberated. It’s weird to claim that. The USSR (and even Russian Federation) had done a lot of good work for Africa (especially helping end apartheid), but they are still colonized.
DuBois’s talented tenth is elitist rubbish, which he eventually changed his mind on.
You claimed Africa was liberated, by the Soviets no less. You’ve provided examples of Soviets assisting in revolutions in two countries. African countries have very much been Neo-Colonized since their nominal Colonial status ended, including South Africa. African Liberation and New African Liberation are two separate struggles, the answers to them are necessarily different.
I’ve said the Soviets were wrong on the questions of Palestinian Liberation and they supported men who I disagree with in the Negro Question, speaking of African Liberation is a tangent. My home isn’t Africa my home is in the States. My people need liberation here. The point is, support for any party shall be critical, I don’t care what the Soviets think of certain Black leaders, their opinion is no more important than mine. Just because the CPSU (or Stalin) was wrong on the Israel Question doesn’t mean that I don’t respect them, but it shows that all of us are capable of being wrong.
Please don’t attempt to validate your theory with an an individual Black person’s opinions. Sakai wasn’t disproven because some Black person said so, it needs to be met with contrary evidence.
Allison from Red Menace already destroyed a similar take from the CPUSA who used Angela Davis’s opinion to validate their position that Black Liberation can be solved through assimilation, it’s horseshit.
Reputable source? Liberalism moment. Theory and evidence over clout. Black Americans are in the worst economic situation since Segregation and it isn’t because we failed the revolution. Assimilation is not a solution to our problems.
This isn’t the white left talking.
This is Henry Winston talking.
Do you know what I see when I look at Henry Winston? I see someone who turned his back on liberation to play adjacent to those who’d eventually spawn tailists. I see a proto-misleader; who bet if he didn’t wind up dead in exile? Would probably have been a member of the Congressional Black Caucus with how much co-opting the same party that CPUSA likes to align with does to our community.
Just because a revolutionary, no matter how marginal, died in exile, does not make them a be-all, end-all. Fuck, DuBois died in exile and he’s the reason we have these “Talented Tenth”-assed Boulé-aspirants walking around.
Actually, Henry Winston had the backing of the entire Soviet Union and was praised throughout the Soviet world; DuBois was also a CPUSA member.
Soviet. Not Amerikan. What worked for the Soviets isn’t going to 1:1 work for us; especially not 40, 50, and 60 years removed from those conditions; and I think you’ll find I hold DuBois’s philosophies responsible for the first, second, and soon to be third generation of misleaders. You don’t listen, and I’m tired of trying to explain it to you.
Nope. DuBois laid the foundation for the current Pan-African movement.
While leaving the Amerikan Black proletariat he descended from to clean up the mess that his ‘Talented Tenth’ assed coons, sellouts, misleaders, and Toms engendered in Amerika. I won’t take away from the wins his writings earned in Africa(that AFRICOM practically immediately rolled back til BRICS); but not here. Here, he left us with adjacency to empire, and jiving for settlers.
Please don’t ever in your life fix your face to namedrop Black revolutionaries in subjects like these; because you’re clearly not in community with us, apparently are incapable of listening to the subjects-of-empire that are before you, all while trying to cudgel us with a pan-african philosophy that shock of shocks, doesn’t change OUR material conditions one whit!
Frankly, I’m fuckin done with you.
Actually, we both more or less share the same material conditions, but to varying degrees.
Also, ugh, can’t read all this because it’s just rehashing the same-old ideas that I’ve gone over many times and the way it’s formated makes my ADHD brain go haywire.
The Soviets have been wrong on many issues, one of the largest being the Israel Question. Western Imperialism managed to destroy the USSR through the consequences of the Israel Question. So twice they’ve failed to recognize the conditions of a Settler Colony, apparently.
It doesn’t matter who was in the CPSU or the CPUSA, what matters is what the party lines ended up being and what affects this has on the Socialist movement. Also the user you’ve replied to is pointing out a major flaw in DuBois, not celebrating him.
That was Stalin.
lol
USSR also liberated Africa.
DuBois wasn’t flawed, certainly not in that way.
Democratic Centralism, not just a Stalin mistake, a party mistake.
Africa has yet to be liberated. It’s weird to claim that. The USSR (and even Russian Federation) had done a lot of good work for Africa (especially helping end apartheid), but they are still colonized.
DuBois’s talented tenth is elitist rubbish, which he eventually changed his mind on.
Nope.
Angola and Namibia were won under the USSR.
Africa’s liberation was reversed; now why is that?
So what?
You claimed Africa was liberated, by the Soviets no less. You’ve provided examples of Soviets assisting in revolutions in two countries. African countries have very much been Neo-Colonized since their nominal Colonial status ended, including South Africa. African Liberation and New African Liberation are two separate struggles, the answers to them are necessarily different.
I’ve said the Soviets were wrong on the questions of Palestinian Liberation and they supported men who I disagree with in the Negro Question, speaking of African Liberation is a tangent. My home isn’t Africa my home is in the States. My people need liberation here. The point is, support for any party shall be critical, I don’t care what the Soviets think of certain Black leaders, their opinion is no more important than mine. Just because the CPSU (or Stalin) was wrong on the Israel Question doesn’t mean that I don’t respect them, but it shows that all of us are capable of being wrong.
They assisted the revolution of every African country, especially Ghana.
“they supported men who I disagree with in the Negro Question” but they supported men in America that supported African and Black liberation (CPUSA).
Please don’t attempt to validate your theory with an an individual Black person’s opinions. Sakai wasn’t disproven because some Black person said so, it needs to be met with contrary evidence.
Allison from Red Menace already destroyed a similar take from the CPUSA who used Angela Davis’s opinion to validate their position that Black Liberation can be solved through assimilation, it’s horseshit.
Sakai was disproven and is not a theorist; he has also yet to explain his credentials.
Also, Red Menace’s takes on CPUSA have been disproven.
I’ll bite, why does one need to explain their credentials? Is the information and evidence not enough?
In what way has Red Menace been disproven? Care to share the CPUSA’s responses to them?
Red Menace also doesn’t have credentials and is not a reputable source or an activist.
Reputable source? Liberalism moment. Theory and evidence over clout. Black Americans are in the worst economic situation since Segregation and it isn’t because we failed the revolution. Assimilation is not a solution to our problems.
Neither did we lol