- cross-posted to:
- main@fapsi.be
- main@feddit.de
- cross-posted to:
- main@fapsi.be
- main@feddit.de
Today is an exciting day for the Lemmy project.
Almost one year after first enabling federation, we now federate with other projects for the first time! According to some people’s definition, this finally makes us part of the Fediverse.
It took a lot of work to make this possible, so big thanks to NLnet for funding our full time work on Lemmy, and to @lanodan and @asonix for helping to figure out how Pleroma and Mastodon federation works (it’s difficult because they have almost no documentation).
What is Lemmy?
Lemmy is similar to sites like Reddit, Lobste.rs, or Hacker News: you subscribe to communities you’re interested in, post links and discussions, then vote and comment on them. Lemmy isn’t just a reddit alternative; its a network of interconnected communities ran by different people and organizations, all combining to create a single, personalized front page of your favorite news, articles, and memes.
Major Changes
Federation code rewrite
The rewrite of the federation code started by @nutomic in August is now mostly complete. As a result, the code is much cleaner, and has tests to guarantee no breaking changes between Lemmy versions. As a side effect of this rewrite, it was now relatively easy to enable federation with other projects.
Mastodon and Pleroma users can:
- View Lemmy communities, user profiles, posts and comments
- Follow Lemmy communities to receive new posts and comments
- Replies (mentions) work in both directions, including notifications
In addition, Pleroma users can exchange private messages with Lemmy users.
Note that Pleroma and Mastodon rely on a compatibility mode in Lemmy, which means that they won’t receive events like Deletes or Votes. Other projects whose federation works similar to Pleroma/Mastodon will likely also federate.
Hardcoded slur filter removed
Lemmy finally has essential moderation tools (reporting, user/community blocking), so the hardcoded filter isn’t necessary anymore. If you want to keep using the slur filter, copy these lines to your config file when upgrading, and adjust to your liking.
Upgrade notes
If you installed Lemmy without Ansible, you need to edit the nginx config file to follow this example. Otherwise Mastodon won’t be able to fetch objects or actors from Lemmy. Ansible applies this change automatically.
No other changes are necessary for federation with Mastodon/Pleroma. Just make sure your allowlist/blocklist allows it. Then get started by searching the URL of a Lemmy user or Community in Mastodon.
Note that Mastodon and Pleroma are much, much bigger than Lemmy at this point, with a combined 3 milion users and 4500 instances, compared to 20.000 users and 35 instances for Lemmy (source). The existing mod tools in Lemmy might not be adequate to handle that at the moment.
Be aware that if you have federation enabled in the Lemmy config, Mastodon and Pleroma users can now fetch all posts and comments, to view them and share with their followers. The Lemmy blocklist/allowlist can not prevent this, it only prevents posts/comments from blocked instances to be shown on your own instance. The only solution to this problem is disabling federation, or waiting for signed fetch to be implemented.
If you want to use federation, but review new instances before federating with them, use the allowlist. You can switch from open federation to allowlist federation by pasting the output of the command below into federation.allowed_instances
in the Lemmy config.
curl https://your-instance.com/api/v3/site | jq -c .federated_instances.linked
The lemmy.hjson
additional_slurs
field has changed its name to slur_filter
.
Follow the Docker or Ansible upgrade instructions here.
Lemmy-Ansible
We’ve now separated our ansible install method (the preferred way to deploy Lemmy) into its own repo, lemmy-ansible. Let us know if you need help migrating existing installations over to it.
Changes
API
- There is now a
GetUnreadCount
in the API to check the count of your unread messages, replies, and mentions. - A full list of the API changes can be seen on this diff of lemmy-js-client: 0.13.0 -> 0.14.0-rc.1 .
Lemmy Server
- More federation compat (#1894)
- Adding clippy:unwrap to husky. Fixes #1892 (#1893)
- Remove header guard for activitypub routes
- Add federation test cases for Smithereen and Mastodon
- Reduce stack memory usage in apub code
- Remove ActivityFields trait, deserialize into another struct instead
- Check if post or comment are deleted first. Fixes #1864 (#1867)
- Correctly use and document check_is_apub_id_valid() param use_strict_allowlist
- Convert note.content and chat_message.content to html (fixes #1871)
- Upgrade background_jobs to 0.9.1 #1820 (#1875)
- Fix husky fmt hook. (#1868)
- Renaming to slur_filter. Fixes #1773 (#1801)
- Three instance inbox bug (#1866)
- Remove ansible from this repo. (#1829)
- Rewrite collections to use new fetcher (#1861)
- Dont blank out post or community info. Fixes #1813 (#1841)
- Format config/defaults.hjson before committing (#1860)
- Breaking apub changes (#1859)
- Pleroma federation2 (#1855)
- Create a custom pre-commit hook, generates config/defaults.hjson (#1857)
- Add cargo metadata to all crates (#1853)
- Add both (De)Serialize to all models (#1851)
- Adding GetUnreadCount to the API. Fixes #1794 (#1842)
- Federate reports (#1830)
- Fix saved posts and hide read posts issue. Fixes #1839 (#1840)
- Dont allow posts to deleted / removed communities. Fixes #1827 (#1828)
- Dont swallow API errors (fixes #1834) (#1837)
- Fix federation of initial post/comment vote (fixes #1824) (#1835)
- Fix clippy warnings added in nightly (#1833)
- Admins can view all reports. Fixes #1810 (#1825)
- Adding a message_id to emails. Fixes #1807 (#1826)
- Generate config docs from code (#1786)
- Trying a background_jobs fix. #1820 (#1822)
- mark parent as read on reply (#1819)
- Move code to apub library (#1795)
- Adding honeypot to user and post creation. Fixes #1802 (#1803)
- Add database host back into config file (#1805)
Hmm the mastodon comments don’t seem to federate to this server (feddit.de). Is that on purpose or should they be visible here too?
Maybe the nginx config needs to be adjusted like this: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/templates/nginx.conf#L63
cc @wintermute@feddit.de
I have another question if that’s okay. I think it hasn’t been asked yet.
Are likes also federated with this? So if someone sees this post as a toot on mastodon and likes it, will it be upvoted? If not, is this feature planned for the future?
Likes on Mastodon are marked as private, so they are rejected by Lemmy (which requires them to be public, as they get sent to other instances).
Maybe that’s better anyways to not have lemmy dominated by viral toots from mastodon.
another question: If I would search for the link of your post, it wouldn’t find it on mastodon because I get this link on my server: https://feddit.de/post/5029/comment/14151 and not with the lemmy.ml URL
Might there be a solution to that in the future?
Anyway mastodon users can only create comments on lemmy, not posts. For the comment you need to remove the part “/post/123” from the url, then it works.
hmm that doesn’t seem to work. The same problem would apply if I tried to search for https://feddit.de/post/5029, this post. But since the post is viewed through feddit, I am not able to find it on mastodon.
Ah yes, you need to take the url from the instance where the post/comment was originally posted. So for this post, you can fetch it from mastodon by searching “https://lemmy.ml/post/89740”. This needs to be shown somewhere in lemmy-ui.
@nutomic i pulled this version just before deployment
@sexy_peach is right, mastodon comments currently do not federate to feddit.de seems to work with other instances though, like lemmy.eus
maybe it’s because of feddits whitelist federation?
Ah yes, you have to permit mastodon instances in the allowlist then.