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Google Removes App That Helps People Boycott Pro-Israel Companies::NoThanks was temporarily suspended from the Google Play app store due to a line in its description speaking about Israel.
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Jesus Christ, this is I getting nsane. When did it become unacceptable to say that genocide is bad?
When it interferes with the bottom line.
When the US supports it, it’s not genocide anymore. It’s just becomes “self-defense”.
It’s great to have God On Your Side®
Almost every attacker in history has claimed that they have God on their side™
Yes, that is the entire point of the reference.
Yeah they’re talking about the Dylan song by that title.
A technique stretching all the way back to the Roman days
Is anyone really surprised we’re still up Brutus’ ass when the library of congress only just recently acknowledged that the US system is based much more on the Haudenosaunee Confederation than the Roman Republic, no matter how much the marble fap gang tries to insist otherwise
The article says that the app description said something about “killing children”.
It’s not really surprising google removed it. I mean they could’ve just edited the description or whatever but… policy I guess.
Sounds like it will be back any minute.
Google probably doesn’t have a stance here. They just sanitize everything for you to consume without a second thought. I wonder if it violated some children-related policies.
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Because despite treating Israeli Holocaust Survivors like dirt, Israel has successfully sold itself as being justified because of the Holocaust, so outside observers who’ve never heard of soap being a slur in hebrew because jews who didn’t experience that contempt the ones that did flinch when you point out how the early settlerists established bank infrastructure with the Nazis to facilitate well of jews moving to Israel under pressure, or how current settlement communities literally have Lebensraum ideation of taking everything between the Nile and Euphrates.
These psychopaths are so hell bent that the Arabs don’t even get their own ancestral homeland anymore if the zionists get their way, Aden is just a piece of Israel that lost the memo!
It’s probably just an antimalware bot going wild. An unlucky filter somewhere matching “israel” (i had to regex-process invoices once, same shit), blown out of proportion by the culture of outrage doing it’s thing.
But now that Google is forced to admit to one side, they will probably prefer to say nothing and just take the blame. It will be forgotten in a month anyway.
Not condoning the bullshit, just pointing out that the app is back up on the store as of 5hrs ago
edit: furthermore, if actual boycotting is your legit interest instead of impotent, anonymous outrage, here’s a similar app that offers the same functionality.
If they wanted genocide, why aren’t they killing the millions of Palestinians that are still alive outside of the war zone?
since its fake news, propoganda, brain washing and antisemic
release it on fdroid
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What it is called ?
It’s in the description of this post. I’m not going to share it because I want you to learn basic problem solving.
I love this so hard ❤️
Holy shit save that wisdom for your children
Cool Dad, see you same time next year?
No thanks i am not going to read you post description
Well, if you wanted to know what it was called, it’s in the post description.
Slightly off tangent but last year appeared this particular ID Nahui Scanner app that scans barcodes and highlights any Russian-made products (released in March 2022 but unfortunately no updates since then). So it basically operates similarly to the aforementioned No Thanks app.
Well, it’s okay to boycott Russia for invading and occupying parts of Ukraine but god forbid you boycott Israel for invading and occupying the entirety of what we know as post 1967 Palestine.
Russia hasn’t pre-empted its invasion with decades of screed about how they’re owed that land because of the Holocaust and how disagreeing is russophobia
Streisand Effect
Free Palestine from the river to the sea.
What I don’t understand, as someone who doesn’t support Hamas or Netanyahu, is why you would chant that.
Like, where would Jews go? Is that actually a real solution? Only super old people actually came to Israel from another country, most of the Israelis don’t know any other home
Well for one, Jews and specifically Israelis don’t have to go anywhere for Palestine and Palestinians to be free?
Like the slogan just does not at all necessarily imply what you’re imagining (or what the US congress claims) it does. That slogan’s been around longer than Hamas.
The slogan is being used by far right israelis too. And it is implicitly genocidal for both sides. Israel is here to stay and so is Palestine. Both sides need to accept this so we can move towards the next goal, defining which lands go to which side.
Israel needs to be charitable and give back land, remove settlers, etc. And in response Palestine needs to control its people and guarantee the safety of Israel.
A lot of Israel’s landgrab is because of security concerns or at least thats Israel’s excuse. If Palestine can remove that excuse by providing security, things can become a lot simpler.
The problem is that Palestine does not exist as a country with a unified government, partly because of Israel(supported hamas, etc), so Israel continues having legitimate security concerns.
To be fair, we do say the same thing about “all lives matter.” An objectively true statement that can border on hate speech depending on context
It’s not the free part I have an issue with, it’s the geography
Exactly, it’s the whole “black lives matter” vs “all lives matter” thing all over again.
We saw how that played out in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. After it was “freed” by Azerbaijan, 100,000 people were displaced. Sure, they didn’t have to go, but some people don’t like living under a dictatorship.
Gaza didn’t have an election since 2006
You know the original slogan in Arabic? What slogan it’s translation of?
min al-mayyeh lil-mayyeh / Filasṭīn ʿarabiyyeh (من المياه للمياه / فلسطين عربية ‘from the water to the water / Palestine [is] Arab’)
Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).
It means that Palestinians living in West Bank and Gaza should be free from Israeli oppression and Palestinians living in Israel should be free from apartheid. It doesn’t mean kicking people out.
That isn’t what it means. You are trying to RetCon history to align with present day values. Stop it.
Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid.
The gas lighting is intense. The charitable take that people are ignorant just says a lot about their knowledge of the region and the conflict.
'48 Palestinians in Israel also are full citizens https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-poll-finds-arab-israelis-sense-of-kinship-with-state-at-a-20-year-high/ their situation has vastly improved and labeling it apartheid is ignorance. That label can only apply to Gaza and the West Bank and arguably then even when compared with actual apartheid. There are Arabs in parliament, on the Supreme Court, and in the highest ranks of the IDF. Like fuck, Benny Gantz, one of the three ministers in the war cabinet, was shit talking in Arabic during the ceasefire because Israelis learn Arabic in school too. A significant number of the troops killed in Gaza are Druze, another minority Abrahamic faith that speaks Arabic with a large minority population in Israel. Highest standard of living for their minority in the region. There’s a movement since the war started to enshrine them in Israel’s Basic Law (constitution).
There are covenants all through Israel that forbid travel and residency by “full citizens” Palestinians of Israeli citizenship. There are separate schools. Do we not remember “separate is not equal”?
Most schools are integrated. There’s no seperate busses or restrictions.
America has issues with home owners associations too. It also has religious schools. Ever hear about redlining or looking at a ethnicity map of a city like Chicago or Detroit?
Israeli Arab travel is not restricted inside of Israel. You are probably thinking of the west bank.
Btw Israeli jews aren’t allowed into parts of the west bank and Jerusalem either.
That’s nice excuse making. There’s YouTube videos of Israeli bus drivers refusing to take Palestinian passengers.
HOAs in America are private contracts but the Knesset passed The Admissions Committees Law (2011) which allows hundreds of small towns built on state land to select applicants based on their “social suitability”. The law is used in practice to filter out Israeli Arabs and members of other marginalized groups. The fact that the government does this is much much worse than an HOA.
Here’s a very real lived experience for you: anyone can go to the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the 2nd most holy Jewish site with a security check. Anyone can go to the major Christian sites. Only Muslims are officially allowed to go to the Temple Mount, the first most holy Jewish site.
I’ve been to Israel multiple times. Israeli Arabs are not allowed at the western wall and are turned away by security. I can introduce you to some of you don’t believe me.
And the Temple Mount is under the control of the Jordanian government by Israeli treaty and the Israeli military isn’t letting people in, even most rabbis have said the Mount is off limits to Jews. Not that that’s stopped extemeists from going there. The Israeli military also often bans Muslims under age 60 from visiting so you’re not special.
They chant that because it means something different depending on who says it. The Palestinians have been chanting this slogan for many years since the PLO times. The call was to unite the people to show unity between the people of gaza to west bank. However, when Hamas took power, the chant turned into something antisemitic. So you will hear both sides now, unite the people and wishes for terror.
no. it means all jews should b expelled, if not dead.
Many who chant it don’t even know what river or sea they are talking about without looking it up.
And they don’t care what happens to the Jews. It’s a racist chant which is basically supporting genocide.
It’s an idiotic phrase that only morons and racists would repeat. It’s unrealistic and doesn’t solve a damn thing. But of course the herd will repeat the catchy phrase because they have an excuse to be openly racist but still have a way of justifying it.
There. I said it.
And no, before these same idiots say otherwise: I am not happy with how Israel or the IDF is handling the current situation or the situation before October. Nor am I a supporter of hamas and their actions in early October; Israel just had their own 9/11, so of course they are going to react miltaryary, of course they fucking are, like every country on the planet would.
This whole thing is like watching two unlikeable assholes having a boxing match. It’s basically boogie2899 Vs wingsofredemption but with a lot more death and destruction, so it’s not funny.
“Of course they’re going to bomb refugee camps and schools, of fucking course they are” Jesus Christ just stfu already with the bullshit excuses
I’m not making excuses. Try reading my comment again and thinking for a moment.
You can do it! I believe in you!
take my upvote good sir
Israel can’t and shouldn’t exist in the future.
An ethnic religious state can never be free.
But it will exists, so maybe try to work in thay framework for a solution
Free Palestine from the river to the sea. 🇵🇸🇵🇸
Debunking : “From the river to the sea” is a call to genocide.
When Palestinians call for freedom from the river to the sea, they are calling for decolonization and the dismantling of this racist colonial entity which dominates their lives, and seek to replace it with a state that would not exist at the expense of the subjugation of others.
This is hardly a new or radical position, such an entity was suggested by the Arab states as a counter-proposal to the 1947 partition plan. Naturally, this was rejected by the Zionists. That we barely ever hear about the offers that the Yishuv/Israel rejected should be an indicator of the nature of mainstream discussions on Palestine and the silencing of Palestinian voices. The Palestinian Liberation Organization also called for establishing a secular, democratic unitary state for all its citizens. Naturally, none of these proposals included genocide, ethnic cleansing or mass murder.
Debunking that Blog is really easy. All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.
Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)
Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).
No calls for genocide please.
Yeah I agree, Israel should stop actually committing genocide.
That wasn’t what I meant, and you knew it. Well done!
Yeah, actual facts. Simply trying to stick to actual genocide instead of illusory projected genocide.
And the October the 7th was just a friendly little fight was it? Oh no, that was genocide.
International groups like the UN and Amnesty International talk about ongoing genocide. It is Israel that is committing this genocide. What you speak of is also terrible and sad. But Israel chooses this path, not Palestinians. So long as a group of people remain harshly oppressed, without food, water, education, healthcare, infrastructure, jobs, freedom to travel, freedom from being caged in, having homes taken from them at gunpoint or by bombs, we will continue to see bloody resistance with asymmetrical reaction.
Israeli quote from an open letter in Haaretz newspaper in 1967 right after the 6 Days War: “Our right to defend ourselves against annihilation does not grant us the right to oppress others. Conquest brings in its wake foreign rule. Foreign rule brings in its wake resistance. Resistance brings in its wake oppression. Oppression brings in its wake terrorism and counterterrorism. The victims of terrorism are usually innocent people. Holding onto the territories will turn us into a nation of murderers and murder victims. Let us leave the occupied territories now.”
October the 7th was an act of genocide. It was the biggest single loss of life of Jewish people since the holocaust.
I’m not saying that Israel are handling things great either btw. But the term “to the river to the sea” is genocidal, and October the 7th was also genocidal
Fuck off with that, its just as genocidal as the zionests.
For all the people still in denial, that is a genocide slogan.
All you need to do is listen to actual Palestinians in Palestine instead of anonymous blogs.
Like a survey conducted by Palestine’s Birzeit University’s Arab World for Research & Development (AWRAD)
Literally 75% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza choose it as the explicit genocide option on a survey that Includes one state for two people as an option. This is a poll done by a Palestinian university in the west bank after the start of the war, claiming its Israeli propaganda would be pretty stupid. All the US congress did was assert to the public what the meaning is to a super majority of Palestinians in Palestine. The diaspora pushing a different narrative never speaks up when the crowds chant the Arabic version that ends in “Palestine will be Arab” (or “Palestine is Arab”).
So basically you are saying this:
Palestinians committing genocide:
Israel committing genocide:
The list is immense. I would almost prefer a list of brands okay to buy from, free of zionist support. It would be smaller and easiest to maintain.
There’s a simple diagram of a few targeted products to boycott here. https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide
https://bdsmovement.net/sites/default/files/Boycott Article (1).jpg
totally not circlejerking brainwashed herd
edit: lol as I was correcting spelling someone already down voted, this quickly! u guys/bots r hilarious
Bro, I’m no bot. Mine is a legit down vote.
q. e. d.
I wish those were bots, but they’re real people sadly, Google “tankies”.
I need to get off Android after this. OnePlus 6 is so close to being ready on PostMarketOS (conventional Linux for smartphones) but I don’t think I can wait for it anymore.
You can always install F-Droid and side-load .apk on Android. Apple censors anything remotely negative about China, among other concerning positions. Neither mobile company is good, so why ditch Android entirely?
PostMarketOS is an alternative to Android that has nothing to do with Apple.
What all hardware does it run on? In a stable way, that is.
Librem 5 and a bunch of older Android devices - including Fairphone 4, OnePlus 6/6T, Xiaomi Pocophone F1 https://postmarketos.org/download/
Thanks genuinely appreciate this
I don’t think they implied that they would switch to Apple. They just want off android so bad they can’t wait for the new Linux mobile OS
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They literally said PostMarketOS in their comment.
I love fdroid. I would sell it to the average user on the fact that the apps are adfree.
I’d love to try an alternative for at least the store. It’s absolutely impossible to find and app worthwhile on there. Like, it’s insane. It’s all just bullshit that is paid, or gaming their system (just like Google.com is becoming like, actually.)
Thanks this thread was sincerely useful
pixel 3a has great ubuntu touch and droidian support
source: i got one on ebay to mess with custom roms and stuff on
I’m an iPhone user and I really enjoy my iPhone, but understand that Apple is perfect either. If you like side-loading apps you can forget about that on the iPhone. Additionally, there’s plenty of censorship when it comes to China because Apple won’t lose its precious revenue it gets in that Asian market. Personally, I don’t like Google because I don’t believe the make any real attempts to protect your privacy, but understand that Apple isn’t perfect either.
EU has forced apple to allow sideloading
Yeah, but it hasn’t happened yet, and while it certainly will, we don’t know if Apple will bring that everywhere or only in countries where they have to.
This is a fair point. Apple definitely has better privacy protection than Android. To me, this was the second most important difference (the first would be Android is more open source even though the version that gets to your phone isn’t really that open).
Been running /e/os on Oneplus 6T and it’s been great. Built in tracker blocker is nice. Maybe a possible alternative to try
Thank you for the suggestion. I forgot about e and will look into it and graphene.
Welcome to NoThanks, here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children in Palestine or not. All you have to do is scan the barcode or write the serial number in the search bar.
It’s not that bad even if you take the position of Israel is doing nothing wrong at all. No way this app should have been removed because of this.
It wasn’t. That’s the acceptable cover we’re being fed. It’s always money.
When I just searched NoThanks on Google Play, the top results were YouTube Music, Google Meet, Google Assistant, Netflix and Amazon. What the actual fuck
Accurate though, if not what you meant.
I wish I could argue with that
Dumb question perhaps, but why don’t they just make it a web app or a mobile website instead?
Because Google won’t ban those and give them free publicity.
“Here you can see if the product in your hand supports killing children” is a strong line, but of course it will be banned - not due to Google being particularly pro-Israel or pro-massacre, but because this won’t go well with advertisers, regulators and literally anyone in power.
Big Tech just can’t afford to allow such bold moves, and it’s not political (aside from Big Tech itself being cancer that needs to be eradicated, but that’s topic for another day)
I love how all the pro-business and free speech advocates of the past thirty years have not yet realised that these concepts are mutually exclusive.
Mutual exclusion means either one is true or the other, but not both. But also what he said has no two specific concepts? What do you mean?
Banning because of advertiser / regulator / government populism vs. It not being political?
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Well they can start by not using their smartphone because that thing has a ton of Israeli tech.
kinda agree with this, to some extend. We can only do selective boycott, those that won’t directly affect our life given that there are other options, like not going to Starbucks or McD. If we really want to boycott Israeli products and techs, we won’t get access to modern tech at all - they are everywhere.
You don’t need to stop using things that you already payed for, that’s would be wasteful. You just need to stop support and not buy anymore.
Smartphones and computers are essential tools for many people. Essential tools can break beyond repair or be so old that they are risky to use or even can’t be used for what you need to use them for anymore. Suggesting just not buying technology because of Israel would basically require huge numbers of people to just end up having to quit their job one day because of it.
I honestly wish there was a way to separate Israel from the tech industry, but it’s just not possible right now. Do what you can and not buy things from companies you aren’t forced to rely on, such as Starbucks and McDonalds, that support Israel. That still hurts Israel without hurting you.
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what not. At least write something useful if you disagee with me.
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I think boycotting is the wrong way to solve this issue. It’s better to sit down and have an honest conversation about it. But the conversation has been anything but honest. People don’t even know what “from the river to the sea” actually means before shouting it, they think it’s some hippy “love and freedom” chant, while it’s a call for genocide.
There have been plenty of honest conversations since May 14th 1948 and it has led to this current situation. I would really love for there to be peace but it seems that everyone involved and everyone backing everyone involved is quite heavily invested and continued war in that region.
The children pay the price.
Ah yes, having a conversation will definitely help the Palestinian people.
They just need to get a good petition going! Or maybe a strongly worded letter signed by some celebrities?
Is there an iOS version?
it says to boycott google but uses firebase :\
Eh BDS doesn’t ask for a financial boycott of Google. It’s running a pressure campaign. bdsmovement.net has more info
It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down even if it’s just temporarily. Sure, in some cases, like TikTok, they are meeting with rich Zionists who are lobbying for censor anything anti-Zionist. That takes time to negotiate in some cases I would imagine.
Most people and most Zionists are not rich I think. It’d be faster to run a coordinated mass report campaign through some influencer to trigger the automated moderation.
So even if Google weren’t financially involved in Israel’s occupation, which it is, people could use the mechanisms of its automations to censor things on their own for everyone.
It seems likely to me that there are campaigns of people mass reporting content and apps to get then taken down[…]
Case in point. Maybe my example is more DMCA-centric than you meant, but same practice applies here.
In addition to taking advantage of automated systems, yes many groups are engaging in pressure campaigns on specific companies and organizations to engage in censorship right now.
