maybe their finger slipped and they meant to use a C?
Here’s another relevant article on this.
They already reported this once, citing helicopter footage as evidence:
Politifact said that it was false:
I guess they figured that no one can challenge the evidence supporting your claim if you don’t use any evidence to support your claim. Big brain move right there.
Edit: Disregard this. OP article does not make the claim that Israel killed Israelis at the music festival.
Two different things.
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Politifact’s fact check says that the video is not showing attacks at the music festival location.
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In the Haaretz interview, the Col. says that the pilots opened fire on multiple places along the border fence to prevent Hamas from taking the captives back, killing both Hamas fighters and Israelis.
Music festival story =/= Border fence story
You’re correct. I’m wrong.
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Oh ya, forgot about that site founded by the Tampa Bay Times, definitely a top tier source when it comes to geopolitics. Especially on topic’s with zero grey area. /s
You don’t have to trust the Tampa Bay Times. The article lists their sources:
Our sources
Post on X by Stew Peters, Nov. 9, 2023
Instagram post, Nov. 13, 2023
TikTok video, Nov. 9, 2023
Email exchange with Israel Defense Forces spokesperson, Nov. 15, 2023
Israel Defense Forces post on X, Oct. 9, 2023
Email exchange with Stew Peters, Nov. 15, 2023
Post on X, Oct. 9, 2023
PolitiFact, ‘Died Suddenly’ repeats debunked COVID-19 vaccine claims, promotes conspiracy theory, Sept. 29, 2022
PolitiFact, Stew Peters film ‘Watch the Water’ ridiculously claims COVID-19 is snake venom. That’s Pants on Fire, April 19, 2022
France 24, Israeli army did not fire on own civilians at Nova music festival, Nov. 13, 2023
France 24 English’s YouTube channel, Disproving claims that Israeli helicopter ‘fired on their own civilians’ at Nova music festival, Nov. 13, 2023
Newsweek, Fact Check: Does Video Show Israel Helicopter Shoot Festival Goers? Nov. 13, 2023
PolitiFact, Reports of 260 Israeli music fest deaths aren’t unsubstantiated. Photos, videos document toll, Oct. 13, 2023
Middle East Monitor, Report: 7 October testimonies strike major blow to Israeli narrative, Oct. 30, 2023
The Grayzone, October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles, Oct. 27, 2023
The Associated Press, Israeli survivors recount terror at music festival, where Hamas militants killed at least 260, updated Oct. 9, 2023
CNN, Desert horror: Music festival goers heard rockets, then Gaza militants fired on them and took hostages, updated Oct. 9, 2023
Haaretz, Analysis | Failures Leading Up to the Hamas Attack That Changed Israel Forever, Oct. 20, 2023
The Electronic Intifada, Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says, Oct. 16, 2023
Middle East Observer, New evidence that IDF shelled Israeli citizens on Oct. 7, killing over a hundred, Oct. 29, 2023
The Cradle, Israeli Apache helicopters killed own soldiers, civilians on 7 October: Report, Nov. 9, 2023
Check Your Fact, FACT CHECK: Does This Video Show An Israeli Apache Helicopter Firing On Nova Music Festival? Nov. 14, 2023
CNN, Israel festival revelers shot at point-blank range, video shows, Oct. 10, 2023
The Middle East Monitor, About us, accessed Nov. 16, 2023
LinkedIn, Middle East Monitor, accessed Nov. 16, 2023
Bloomberg, Web Summit Says It’s Withdrawn Invite From The Grayzone Website, Oct. 26, 2022
Media Bias / Fact Check, The Grayzone – Bias and Credibility, accessed Nov. 16, 2023
The White House, Joint Statement on Israel, Oct. 9, 2023
BBC News, Israeli music festival: 260 bodies recovered from site where people fled in hail of bullets, Oct. 9, 2023
Objectively, they didn’t do good journalism and cite primary sources.
Primary sources were the interview with Yasmin Porat on Haboker Hazeh (which was censored by Israel) and the interview conducted with IDF helicopter pilots on, I think, Haaretz. Everything else is commentary on the same evidence.
The fact that the Tampa Bay Times failed to cite those two primary sources really calls into question their legitimacy as an institution for journalism. It’s basic journalistic etiquette to cite primary sources where possible.
