+1 for nano. I just need to change two parameters in a config file, not join a religion.
When the holy war comes, you’ll be among the first sacrifices!
Ehh, that’s fine. I’m not too psyched about living in whatever comes afterward.
Wouldn’t the first be Vimulation users? They are the Pretenders.
Blasphemers!
Amen!
Nano is only helpfull because of this nifty little info bar at the bottom… No one can actually remember nano-shortcuts.
Up down left and right?
I guess ctrlx enter y ? But it has a prompt
Consider micro. The shortcuts for editing test are what I expect them to be everywhere else I edit text.
Nano Shortcuts are shit. Like CTRL+X to save. What the fuck??? Why not use CTRL+S for this?
Ctrl + X is eXit. Ctrl + S is Save without a prompt.
I just need to change two parameters in a config file, not join a religion.
But Nano is a GNU utility what use Ctrl-O for Save.
No wonder I can never remember how to do anything in nano, at least vi’s commands generally make sense
I recently switched to micro that is similar but with more sane key combos.
Now I just mistakenly use nano combos. Back to nano it is lol
I had to learn vi because it was installed everywhere and nano didn’t exist yet. I always thought the holy war to be very silly, and even though many treat it as such, there are too many who take it seriously.
I was talking with a sysadmin once who intentionally removed nano and emacs from any system he was granted access to. His explanation was “if they can’t use vim I don’t want them on my machines”
There’s a sysadmin at my place who does exactly that. He’s kind of an idiot too.
Shocked
As a VIM user, I don’t want you using VIM on my system unless you know how to use it. I don’t want you borking fstab or the passwd file or some other important config because you don’t know how to quit without saving.
Lol love this.
If a sysadmin expected me to use vim for every minor config tweak, I wouldn’t want to be on their machines either.
Sounds like it works then.
Win:win ;)
I find vim quicker and easier for quick edits too, mostly because I’ve not bothered to learn anything but vim since it’s on everything (except, for some odd reason, the default build of Gentoo)
Once you get the hang of it it’s just so much quicker for small and big tasks.
Check out vim adventures:
Or just install vimtutor and try around. The basics are pretty simple, and the more advanced stuff infinitely helpful.
Why? Nano doesn’t need training, and even for config the engineers shouldnt be able to impact production without review. Sysadmin needs to retire
and the more advanced stuff infinitely helpful.
Thanks, no. At that point i use sed, grep or a GUI editor.
I don’t find nano any easier for minor tweaks than vim
A vim user finding nano too difficult? Impressive.
Wow, I hope he didnt choose their distro for them too.
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True fact. It’s one page of directions on the archwiki and the only place you have to deviate is in selecting bootloader and network. Not exactly a 5D rubix cube.
Poor Ubuntu users would be needlessly persecuted!
OS shaming? That’s low
I wouldn’t shame an Ubuntu user. They have their hands full with their windows dual boot and trying to figure out what an RTFM is.
Mostly they are the nano users in the meme though so they got that going for them, which is nice.
I usually just don’t give out the root password but what do I know lol
Imho on any server today all editors should be removed. You edit on your workstation and provision to the server.
Brilliant! I don’t entirely disagree with that. I had vim forced on me at my old job, including actual vi on some of the more ancient systems. I got so used to it that I don’t really know how to use nano and definitely not emacs.
I never understood what the big deal was. Write. Quit. If you can’t remember that ‘w’ means write and ‘q’ means quit, I don’t know how else to help. Add in some decent options in your vimrc and it is pretty comfortable. I am in no way some guru who knows every shortcut and fancy command out there, but I like using it and it is the first thing I install on a new system.
I am not one to judge what text editor, OS, phone, car, or computer you like. You do you. If I was a sysadmin that had to deal with people who really shouldn’t be on those systems and that was an easy way to discourage people from screwing with it, then hell yeah.
Knowing VIM does not make one a better sys-admin. You can be an idiot, and still know how to drive Vi/Vim. There is FAR FAR FAR more to managing an OS and than that. If you think requiring VIM is enough to keep unknowledgeable people away from servers, you are probably the one who shouldn’t be managing servers.
Here’s the one reason why I decided to learn Vim rather than emacs: You will find Vim installed somewhere on basically any Unix-like system running in the world. It’s the one I can virtually guarantee is there, as part of busybox if nothing else.
Except for Gentoo, for some odd reason they’ve never included it in the stage tarball so it always has to be installed manually
Which is even weirder when you realize it is included on the live install iso, so you’ll be using it up until you chroot and all of a sudden find it’s not available anymore
What makes you think only people with admin access use a machine? He wouldn’t allow it for anyone, admin or not.
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I’ve been using Vim for years, cause I can’t figure out how to close it.
You came because it looked exciting…
You stayed because you couldn’t leave.
You open up a new session and reboot. Always works for me.
After you finally figure it out
EMACS is a great operating system, it only lacks a good editor.
Vim lacks anything good, except maybe the keybindings.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
eVil mode. It’s next on my TODO list to try, so I can go back to Emacs’ fantastic Haskell mode without knackering my left pinkie.
just learn a little elisp and remap to control to a sewing machine pedal :P
https://howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/kinesis-footpedal.html
Maybe with facial-recognition-mode I can get it to map a grunty squint to ctrl.
I think someone did that with the old Microsoft ir gaming bar thing E: kinect
Why not eVim?
Just that I already know Emacs’ Haskell mode is great. If I get back into Haskelling I suppose I should look around options.
I love this
In the world of text editors, VIM, specifically NeoVim is the shining light. Standing at the pinnacle of creation at a height that can only be reached by zealous emacs users.
They have a learning curve through. Nano is obviously easier, but it’s also just a basic editor.
:x
As an Emacs user, Neovim was like chains. Shackles.
I ONLY EDIT TEXT BY TOGGLING OUT ASCII CODES ON A ROW OF SWITCHES DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO MY PARALLEL PORT\n
I know your lying, because if you did, you would write a mix of capital and lower case letter, because one of the switches would control that bit
I COULD ONLY AFFORD SIX SWITCHES. BIT 5 HAS A PULLDOWN RESISTOR ON IT\n
This guy did it back in the 80s:
https://archive.org/details/Mondo.2000.Issue.04.1991/page/n33/mode/2up?view=theater
If I have to edit in a terminal: micro
If I need to edit something larger, and want a GUI: Kate
Anything else I flirt with and then drop promptly once I can’t find the time to really learn it.
Jesus, why can’t people just expose their drives to cosmic radiation and have it switch the bits in the file? So much time wasted writing useless editors.
Of course, Rebecca* has a shortcut for that, too.
*GBoard decided that was the right word when I swiped ‘Emacs’. It is now formerly-known-as-Emacs’ new name.
Just use notepad++ with wine like any normal person do
Notepadqq is a thing, you know.
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That’s horrific
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The only editor I need:
Create: printf “TEXT” > FILE
Add: printf “TEXT” >> FILE
No room for mistakes.
Should both be the same commands. Adding should be done by remembering previous contents, no other way is allowed.
Really the users of any other editor. We just see you as a bunch of nerds. But you build good stuff
Micro users: am i joke to you
(I use VSCode)
It’s okay, I’m used to being ignored.
at least use vscodium. vscode isn’t free(libre) software.
Ik about vscodium, it doesn’t have all extensions
you can just download those via Microsoft’s website as vsix and import them to codium. and maybe add an issue/pr in extension’s repo so that it’s available on open-vsix next time. :)
I’ve actually been trying vscodium for a few days now, and it’s mostly been pretty good, though idk if I’ll bother switching to it just yet…
I want to use Micro so badly but my fingers only know Nano’s nonsense shortcut keys.
Also I couldn’t figure out how to make it use real tabs instead of a bunch of spaces. Not great for Python scripts.I’ve never had to worry about tabs vs spaces with Python. Makefile, on the other hand…
Just use sed -i like God intended.
Nano, based.
If I use VI or VIM I’m going to have to kill the task because I just tried to exit and uggggghhhh why!?
:q! or :exit or :quit or ZZ…there’s lots of ways to quit Vim.
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and why should it be? vim and its bindings are extremely popular. should window managers all use alt+f4 to kill programs, just because its familiar to new users?
Yes.
Should word processors all use Ctrl-C to copy?
There’s really no point in criticizing something like vim. It has a history and a following, and no one is forcing you to use it. (Unless someone is, in which case you should be annoyed with them, not vim.)
Yes.
Oh, vim. I wish I knew how to quit you.
: q !
unless you accidentally pressed “q” to early and entered recording-mode…
Only if you don’t want to save the file
:x saved the file and exits.
Or :wq
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or Shift + ZZ
He said quit, not save and exit
ZQ
