In a motion filed in court Monday, Chauvin said he would never have pleaded guilty to the charge in 2021 if he had known about the theories of a Kansas forensic pathologist with whom he began corresponding in February.
    • Kalkaline @leminal.space
      5310·
      1 year ago

      I don’t blame him for not wanting to be in prison, prison sounds like it sucks ass.

      That said he needs to face his consequences and try to rehabilitate himself after smothering a dude to death while his coworkers watched and prevented citizens from stopping him.

  • MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world
    8712·
    1 year ago

    I have looked at gore and just the most horrible things mankind has to offer since I was a kid. I’ve watched taliban executions. I’ve watched cartel videos and yes I’ve seen funky town.

    Nothing, and I mean nothing fills me with rage like having to remember that I saw a video of George Floyd die while begging for his god damn mother. Even as I’m typing this I’m so angry that I am literally in tears. That racist piece of shit doesn’t even know that prison is the safest place for him.

    I’m not a believer in the death penalty, because there is too much room for error. But I saw what that man did. There’s no mistake that he murdered a man in cold blood because he had to show everyone that he was in charge. If ever a man should have received the death penalty it’s Derek Chauvin.

    • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.ee
      281·
      1 year ago

      because he had to show everyone that he was in charge

      That’s exactly it. Darnella Frazier challenged him, simply by being there with a camera. The implication of the camera was “what you’re doing is wrong, and I intend to expose you”. Chauvin responded to that challenge. His actions essentially said “I decide what’s right and what’s wrong. I’m going to kill this man in front of you, to show you that I can. I’m going to get away with it. If you try to stop me, I’ll kill you too.”

      That’s why he stayed on Floyd’s neck for two whole minutes after Floyd went limp. It was about showing everyone that he is in charge, that people die when they don’t do what he wants. George Floyd was Chauvin’s 4th murder, he had every reason to believe he’d get away with this one too and before we all saw the video he went straight to the playbook that helped him get away with the other three. Without Frazier’s video, Floyd would have been exactly what Chauvin said he was: a counterfeiter who died of an overdose while in custody. Before Floyd, Chauvin had pistol whipped a domestic violence suspect and then claimed that suspect reached for his gun, had shot another suspect after witnesses said that suspect had dropped his gun and put his hands in the air, and beat an unarmed 14 year old boy across the back of the head with a mag lite so badly that boy required stitches. He liked to make money off duty acting as a bouncer and the club owners that hired him said he did things like pepper spray the entire crowd in response to a fight breaking out.

      Derek Chauvin is a monster who only knows violence. If he ever gets out of prison, he will kill again. Killing is what he does.

    • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works
      23·
      1 year ago

      The death penalty is too kind for people. Anyone who you think deserves death should get solitary confinement. Make them just sit there and think about what they did for years.

      It’s a fate worse than death for many

    • Woht24@lemmy.world
      28·
      1 year ago

      He’s a racist piece of shit but I don’t think you can say he literally tried to kill George Floyd. He’s on the street in broad day light with many people obviously filming him. He’s stupid, he has little to no reasoning skills and he did what he was taught with no thought to consequences, time, health and safety of his POI etc.

      Anyway, my point is that I find it strange you rate a video of a man s kneeling on another man worse than evil straight up murders for the point of it.

      Derek Chauvin deserves the death penalty more than anyone? That’s fucking removed. You are so blinded by emotion you have lost touch with reality.

      • MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world
        92·
        1 year ago

        I wouldn’t exactly call anger tears “crying”. Crying suggests a steady flow of tears where as anger tears are usually just a handful at most.

        But yes I literally had a couple of tears thinking about it. In my experience I have both experienced firsthand and seen unimaginable suffering. The English language lacks the proper words to describe how awful this suffering is. I could explain it to you and you still wouldn’t understand just how bad it is.

        But I’ve only ever heard a grown ass man call out for his mother twice. Once with George Floyd, and once with Tyre Nichols. I know pain, and I know suffering, but just like if I tried to explain the suffering I know to you. You would be unable to truly comprehend it. I can’t comprehend the pain and suffering that those 2 men endured.

        I don’t care what you did. No human deserves to die at the hands of another human while calling out for their mother.

        Just to be clear. I’m not a great nice person. I have injected a pregnant woman with heroin because she was too dope sick to do it herself, and way worse. I have led a pretty abhorrent life.

        But even amongst monsters some crimes are inexcusable.

    • iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1240·
      1 year ago

      You either are in favor of death penalty or you are not. There is no “but in this case I support it”.

      Wow. Lemmy is in favor of double standards today. Death penalty for the people I think deserve it, but not for those whom I don’t think deserve it?

      • theangryseal@lemmy.world
        11·
        1 year ago

        They clearly explained that their reason for opposing the death penalty in the first place is the chance of error.

        I oppose the death penalty for the same reason. I have no problem executing serial killers for example. I do have a problem with accidentally executing innocent people.

        I’d be willing to say that I’m for the death penalty in the case of a serial killer as long as circumstantial evidence isn’t the determining factor. I’d like to see irrefutable evidence before they are sentenced.

        In freak cases that require absurd circumstances, I would never support the death penalty. Someone shoots the man he catches his wife with? Yeah, no. Jail is good enough. That dude isn’t just an outright danger to society. He’s just a dude who lost his shit in a moment and would have carried on living his normal life under different circumstances.

        Dude spends 10 years stalking and murdering his dates and flushing them down the toilet in pieces? Yeah, the world is better off putting him on down to sleep forever.

        • 520@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          Remember that murders have been pinned on innocents for a long time. With your logic, we would have condemned Barry George to death for the murder of Jill Dando, despite it turning out he was innocent.

          • theangryseal@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Oh I get that, and that’s why I said irrefutable evidence. I referred a little bit to a man who actually did kill his dates and flush them down the toilet. Look up Dennis Nilsen. That’s the kind of case I’m talking about.

            It’s hard to pin that kind of shit on anyone.

            I’ll research the guy you’re talking about, but I’m willing to bet he wasn’t accused of being a serial killer.

            That’s the type of person I’m ok executing. Serial killers. People who wander around without empathy slaughtering people for no reason other than the thrill of slaughtering people.

      • Omega_Haxors
        510·
        1 year ago

        Liberals want to murder individuals who do acts of evil. Leftists want to murder the systems that make those individuals in the first place.

        • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Ok so then let’s murder the lack of police accountability. By holding them accountable for their murders.

          • Omega_Haxors
            12·
            1 year ago

            [thunderous laughter] OK we’ll ask the skinhead slave catching pinkertons to be nice this time.

            • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              What are you actually trying to say here?

              The sarcasm makes it unclear and I don’t want to assume you’re implying something absurd.

              • Omega_Haxors
                22·
                1 year ago

                You can’t reform the storm troopers. Anything less than outright abolition is a waste of time.

                • explodicle@local106.comEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  I agree with the first statement, but don’t understand your reasoning for the second. It’s a waste of time to hold each one of these guys accountable for their crimes? This wouldn’t be the first (or last) terrible thing that took multiple steps to dismantle.

  • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.caEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    He says Dr. William Schaetzel, of Topeka, Kansas, told him that he believes Floyd died not from asphyxia from Chauvin’s actions, but from complications of a rare tumor called a paraganglioma that can cause a fatal surge of adrenaline. The pathologist did not examine Floyd’s body but reviewed autopsy reports.

    Chauvin further alleges that Schaetzel reached out to his trial attorney, Eric Nelson, in 2021, as well as the judge and prosecution in his state-court murder trial, but that Nelson never told him about the pathologist or his ideas. He also alleges that Nelson failed to challenge the constitutionality of the federal charge.

    But Chauvin claims in his motion that no jury would have convicted him if it had heard the pathologist’s evidence

    • kroldenOP
      474·
      1 year ago

      So he didn’t die from asphyxiation from a knee on his neck he died from adrenaline from a knee on his neck

      • itsJoelle@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 year ago

        I’m not a law person, but I think this strategy sounds like the attorney is trying to argue the murderer had no clue of this health condition, and therefore he was neglagent – but not intending to kill.

        My two cents after reading. Bold move, we’ll see if it works.

    • FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      282·
      1 year ago

      but from complications of a rare tumor called a paraganglioma that can cause a fatal surge of adrenaline.

      And this fatal adrenaline surge wouldn’t have happened if mr. murderer hadn’t knelt on Mr. Floyd’s neck. Or has he already forgotten the circumstances? Keep blaming the victim there dumbass.

      • Omega_Haxors
        21·
        1 year ago

        The nice thing about being permed from Lemmy World is that their nazis can’t downvote me anymore.

        • kroldenOP
          2·
          1 year ago

          I could probably get vanned there for badmouthing apple or some shit. People are fuckin weird.

          • Omega_Haxors
            21·
            1 year ago

            It really doesn’t take much, they’re going absolutely mad with power.