Evidently the Bakmuht campaign is not going well. I say allegedly because, as usual, the sources of this are pretty shaky. Hopefully it’s not true because this is a major escalation otherwise. Like point-of-no-return level.

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    I can’t imagine it being effective, certainly inhumane, but probably not going to contribute much if at all.

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      Why not? Copters with grenades appear to be quite frighteningly effective, judging by the videos floating around. Sure it’s not as impressive or devastating as an artillery barrage. But have you seen those videos? Soldiers would be walking somewhere, unaware that a copter was already overhead. Then it drops a grenade (which doesn’t make a sound mind you) and boom, you’re not dead, but heavily wounded, lying in the snow.

      Now combine this with the horrorshow that is poison gas effect. It’s not like in the movies. Even a “basic” lacrimator (tear gas) can incapacitate a person for a long time. Then there’s shit like sarin, which is pure torture. And what is the defence? Gas mask? You can’t run around in one all the time, you need to put it on. How long do you have, between the moment a drone drops a grenade and the moment gas reaches you?

      And then there’s the chance they’ll start using it on civilians, just as all other shit they’ve received in “support”

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        I think that depends on Ukraine’s capabilities to deploy gas like that. And in all cases, it’s cheaper to just use conventional explosives. I just don’t see Ukraine being able to utilize chemical weapons beyond just shelling with gas and hoping it saturates the area.

        That is an interesting point though, targeted drone gassing, would eliminate the issue of dispersion.

        I just can’t see chemical weapons being effective on the battlefield, the counter is just to motorize your infantry, have most personnel stay inside their ifvs if need be dismount, and equip gas masks for infantry combat. I know both NATO and the Warsaw Pact heavily prepped for post-fallout combat, so I just can’t see gas becoming useful in war unless you can do targeted gassing, which is a possibility, just not anywhere near as impactful as artillery.

        Now civilians is basically where chemical warfare is most effective. It’s perhaps one of the few weapons that can’t be easily countered, in civilian settings atleast, and will cause mass destruction. That I can agree with.

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          depends on Ukraine’s capabilities to deploy gas like that.

          The video I’ve seen had shown those cheap civilian quadrocopters and rows upon rows of grenade sized canisters. I wasn’t talking about some massive artillery shells or doomsday missiles, hence the question of terror usage. Someone had already launched a bomb drone at Engels airbase. This is the next “logical” step

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      Normally don’t the millitary leaders have to do some nonsense propaganda to get people to be willing to kill other human beings? Nazis make that kind of work easy for their enemies by behaving like inhuman monsters to begin with.

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      It’s not, it’s literally a signal to the other side that you don’t fucking care about human life anymore. The Russians are going to fight so much harder.