It would be pretty funny for a court to actually determine that a “just business” is synonymous with “doing evil”
/r/selfawarewolves
Profit over people. You know, the cardinal sin; greed.
In general I think business is not good or evil. They just operate on law frameworks given to them.
If company can be 30% more efficient by being more “on the edge” of law and regulation, it is more probably going to succeed.
This is why governments must regulate the hell out of everything, because the system itself is not doing it. It should include data protection, unions, environment etc.
Can’t fool me, they gave it away when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their motto back in 2015.
Fool me once, shame on…shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.
There’s also another continuation: “fool me twice - shame on me”.
The above was a reference to a rather famous instance of George W Bush fumbling over trying to remember the full quite.
He didn’t forget the quote, he realized he was going to say “shame on me” and didn’t want to be quoted as saying “shame on me” so was trying to think of something else to say
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The first time I saw the slogan all I could think is “a normal not-evil person doesn’t need to make such a disclaimer”.
No they didn’t. Please stop spreading this false rumour.
https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/
And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!
That’s not their code of conduct, they are telling YOU not to be evil.
Exactly this man
Lol, how simplistic do you have to be to believe this means anything? First off, you need to believe in good and evil, which are completely arbitrary. And do you think they thought “hmm, we need to start doing evil things do extract more profit… Change the motto so everybody knows! But then we’ll pretend to not be evil when confronted about this change…”
Maybe being evil would be to not change the motto and start doing evil acts anyway. Simpler answer is that somebody probably thought it was a stupid thing to have on there in the first place, and was likely thought up by a Cheeto stained LOTR neckbeard.
“Good and evil are arbitrary” mfers when I chop off their balls and feed them to their kids because I wanted to:
They started deemphasizing the motto when they became a conglomerate in 2015, and removed it completely in 2018 after employees started getting fired for criticizing Google’s shady dealings with the Customs and Border Protection Agency.
Essentially, the employees argued that Google including “don’t be evil” in their contracts made them ethically obligated to speak up against bad behavior, and they didn’t actually want that. So it appears Google did indeed have a definition of “evil,” and when forced to choose between changing their practice or their definition, they chose the latter.
Y’all I found the bad guy
It’s what is known as a canary statement. Taken from when miners used to take canaries into the mines so that the bird would die first if there was toxic gas.
If the canary is dead, something is wrong. Google had it in their mission statement to not do bad things, then that was quietly removed. The canary is dead.
Spoken like a guy who wants to avoid getting in trouble for being a bad person
Google seems a great fit for you
We should’ve seen it coming; I just realized I’ve never heard “ogle” used in a positive way, and it’s what the company name is literally commanding us to do. Hindsight is 20/20.
So what you’re saying is that driving a rusty nail through your eyeball into your brain isn’t evil at all, and totally fine to do?
These are not mutually exclusive statements.
That venn diagram would make a functional wheel.
A publicly traded company is legally obligated to be evil.
Are you perhaps referring to the myth that the law requires companies to maximize shareholder profits above all else?
Ok I was ready to disparage your link since the domain ends in .ai, but actually that was a decent read and a pretty good argument. I’m glad to have better knowledge of the actual court rulings.
I didn’t even look at the URL, to be honest; it was the most layman-friendly and succinct article that was from the last few years that popped up in a quick search, but there’s plenty of similar articles from other sources if anyone doubts this one.
There is no law that says they must. But shareholders are justified to fire C suite who don’t. And realistically shareholders only care about profits. Therefore they effectively must. Regardless of it not being “law”.
Who/Where are these people that believe that? I have heard people say shareholders only care about profits, but I have never heard anyone say it was a law to maximize them. Regardless, they do love profits more than anyone or anything at any company. Companies also like to keep their shareholders happy. Evil comes about becuase of these.
Is profit at any cost morally irresponsible?
No, it’s the consumers who are wrong.
We can and should no longer accept “it’s just good business” as justification for morally reprehensible actions.
Well regulations try to do that but somehow they’re always one step ahead 🧐
(with well placed dollars, to the politicians, supposed to set those regulations, “just weaken this corner here, bud, here’s a small percentage of the profits we will make if you do that”)
Does he not know that business IS evil?
I think that’s what he’s trying to hide behind, all business is evil so we’re just doing business things.
Business can be good for all stakeholders.
Ah, so that’s why they changed their slogan from “don’t be evil” to “don’t not be a business.”
“Google - Business with electrolytes”
It’s what shareholders crave
Okay. Google isn’t evil, business is.
That is exactly what he’s saying.
Death to business!!
Is business in the room with us right now?
It is certainly more present than your wit.
I have a website for you to check out. Good for kneejerk reactions and insult slinging.
Is your website in the room with us now?
Slavery was just business at some point, what kind of justification is this?!
But it wasn’t just business. It was also slavery.
An endeavor that’s just business requires all the people involved to be doing business.
Obviously you’ve never met anyone in middle management.
So… evil.
“That’s not a shit, it’s a doodie!”
Capitalism is a curse that instills the most evil traits in all of humanity.
Worse; it rewards them.
No, businesses are people. Corporations have fought to make that a distinction. So therefore it can be evil. Can’t have it both ways.
Oh Mitt Romney, what a legacy.
Business are soulless evils
It takes people (souls) for a business to exist.
some people are evil.
Many smaller businesses are good organisations. It’s when they grow too big, that moral gets lost.
“Hey man, just doing our job to maximize shareholder value”
