I know what kind of people and things liberals have sympathies for and what they will overlook and justify.

So fuck them and their atrocity propaganda. I like the soviets. I like Gaddafi. I like the revolutionary peoples of China. I like Palestine. I like the DPRK.

Fuck you, liberals. It’s your own standards and hypocracies that allow me to appreciate revolutionaries without much criticism because they dont have to justify shit to you liberals.

Kulaks deserved it. Landlords deserved it. Plantation owners in Cuba deserved it. Colonizers deserved it. Yankees deserved it. Ukronazis deserved it.

Debate these potatoes, libs. 👊👊

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    Agree with the sentiment, but I do have to echo Sankara here, that we must never stop explaining. We can’t give up on all libs - our movement can’t succeed without the support of the people.

    But yea, honestly, the only place I feel like I can genuinely criticize revolutionaries is here - I am genuinely willing to defend Khrushchev in front of libs, and I really don’t like ceding even a little bit of ground whenever possible.

    The only exception is in the case of actually reactionary regimes that I happen to critically support. I am not going to pretend that women’s rights and especially LGBTQ+ rights are respected in Iran to the degree that they should be - that doesn’t mean that I don’t critically support them, but it does mean that my discourse around them is critical because i don’t want to seem like a patsoc/strasserist

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      For sure. Just pointing out that I dont particularly feel compelled to try to “look like a good guy” to them by being overly critical of socialism when the ONLY thing they value is property deeds. You know they weep for the tsar behind closed doors.

      Before all their moralizing their axiom is property deeds over human life. That’s their core. To hell with them.

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      Didn’t Sankara conclude that it’s useless to explain anything to white libs, as they benefit from their status?

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        I generally agree, but as the empire collapses, my hope is that some white proletarian libs, as they notice the cracks start to show and start to watch their imperialism fail, turn away from fascism and towards communism. The idea of an explicitly fascist nuclear power is exceptionally dangerous - whats stopping the United States from holding the world hostage with nuclear weapons?

        I can only hope that human empathy and sensibility win in the end, and that requires believing in at least a few white libs.

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          whats stopping the United States from holding the world hostage with nuclear weapons

          They’ve been doing that ever since getting nukes in the first place.

          Otherwise, fair and no argument from me

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    Also worth mentioning that even if such “atrocities” weren’t wildly distorted by exaggerations and outright lies, they wouldn’t hold water compared to the death and destruction the West has committed. This is only more true when comparing material conditions etc.

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    Hell yeah, comrade. Best take.

    Also, you will always notice liberal ideals will twist to support their best interests, so you are entitled to yours as well especially as a communist.