• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
      3017·
      9 months ago

      Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
          913·
          9 months ago

          The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can’t do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

          • trailing9
            22·
            9 months ago

            Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
              810·
              9 months ago

              The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don’t bother investing in coops. You’ve obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

              • trailing9
                1·
                9 months ago

                No I haven’t.

                But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

                Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
                  710·
                  9 months ago

                  I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don’t issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

        • DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
          31·
          9 months ago

          Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

          • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idEnglish
            21·
            9 months ago

            Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it’s a pipe dream.

            • DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
              4·
              9 months ago

              You think there is no authority in anarchist government? Have you ever read about horizontal-democracies?

              Anarchist just means “against coercive authorities” namely “centralized and hierarchical governance”

              You realize the fediverse that creates lemmy is an anarchist structure right?

      • MasterNerd@lemm.ee
        9·
        9 months ago

        People who downvoted you clearly aren’t paying attention to what’s happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

          • masquenox
            61·
            9 months ago

            all have severe issues with fascism right now

            It’s not an issue… fascism is a feature of classical liberal nation states - not a flaw.

              • masquenox
                3·
                9 months ago

                Really? Tell that to all the “liberal” regimes that enabled fascists when said liberals couldn’t keep working-class revolt in check… Weimar Germany literally did that to crush the “Spartacist” revolt after WW1.

                There’s a saying amongst leftists - you can’t have a harvest of fascism without liberals loosening the ground for it first. Fascism is not some “aberration” of the classical liberal nation state and it never was.

    • SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      9 months ago

      Lmao we’re still as capitalist as ever. Americans have a skewed sense of what capitalism implies due to your super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

      • masquenox
        31·
        9 months ago

        super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

        Sooo… just bog-standard capitalism, then?

  • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
    58·
    9 months ago

    Deflation would actually make capitalism somewhat ok. It would stop people from buying useless shit and automatically reward the poor who can save a little but don’t know how to invest. That’s why I Bitcoin