The topic came up in this discussion of what feature would you like lemmy to have. I talked with nutomic (one of the developers) a bit about this and he suggested opening a separate topic so we could discuss if and how to implement it best.
The topic came up in this discussion of what feature would you like lemmy to have. I talked with nutomic (one of the developers) a bit about this and he suggested opening a separate topic so we could discuss if and how to implement it best.
There is actually a github issue discussing some basic ideas.
But going with something having a membership organisation where anyone can apply (but has to pay some membership fees), every once in a while there is an election for a board of directors, and it decides stuff.
some of the decisions made could include “firing” moderators (iv’e seen a fair share of what can at best be described as questionable behavior by moderators) , or even funding certain projects (you could have one organisation managing the main lemmy instance, another one that helps in funding like openstreetmap foundation).
everyone can host an instance, but that means a instance has a bus factor of 1 (basically if the creator quits your screwed and it can be a PITA to move to another instance).
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There are actually organisations for this, like the software in the public interest which actually hosts the “Debian democracy” and the software freedom conservatory.
There is also feneas which is sort of a democracy so maybe it can provide a instance managed this way.
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Last i heard they started a fundraiser (viewable on there site), I hope they pull through, I do think that if someone wants to have a go at them it will probably have to help by becoming an admin. They said they could not even announce they have problems because they didn’t have the man power to manage social media.
It’s a good idea to use a “proof of work” like making people pay a fee. But I feel like there are better solutions which nobody has thought of yet. Like, there must be a way to prove you are an individual human.
Imagine that to vote, you have to fill in a series ot captchas, that takes about one minute to complete. Everybody does this at the same time - there is a pre-appointed date and you must be sitting at your computer at the start-time to be allowed to vote. Once you complete the captchas, you have 30s to cast your vote.
Then it is (a) difficult for botnets to vote because of the captchas and (b) difficult for one man to vote many times because of the time constraint.
This obviously isn’t a perfect solution, but I’m sure a better way exists, than just “pay to vote” if we just collectively try to invent one.
A doubt this is a good way, click farms are a thing, as i said in the comment i linked to maybe having a certain number of submission to popular communities will be also good (because there is more of a chance they will be detected as bots in popular communities), maybe a invite system (where members can “invite” a certain number of individuals to be members) can also work.
paying also has another advantage as it would help lemmy funding which seems less then great right now.
All good ideas. So few of these kinds of system have really been properly tested in the wild. Would be great for different instances or forks of Lemmy to start trying them.
That’s a possibility, but also you could go with a more conservative strategy (sparing yourself the hard work of innovating) by just using the bylaws and governance of some other establish organisation as a “proven” design.
I think the only one that’s “proven” for usage on the internet is bitcoin’s proof of work mechanism.
Do you mean something traditional like “make everyone apply for ID cards then send them registration info by registered post, then set a date when they all have to walk to polling stations…” ? That also sounds like hard work.
And TBH IMO the only proven thing about traditional voting systems is that they are corruptable. They can be make less corruptable, but those innovations / improvements are also not “proven”.
I don’t really understand how bitcoin work , and don’t see how it is applicable to project governance (if it’s about giving a CPU cycles that can also be “forged”).
Maybe something like openstreetmap or AAAS (i don’t think they have to do stuff like mailing ID cards), it’s not easy but that’s a reasonable amount of work, not like trying a bunch of different models that end up failing (so you try one and then it fails and you need to try the next one), and if the whole thing isn’t going well you have to figure out if it’s because the model sucks or something else sucks.
Any system that is influenced by people can suck because people can suck, innovating and coming up with something new that “sucks less” is very hard.
How does openstreetmap governance work?
I can tell you all about bitcoin’s proof of work if you like. Honestly it’s not a good idea for this application, but you could take ispiration from it. Like have you seen the disroot application process - it’s like proof of work but for humans instead of CPUs?