• Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Oh shit I just remembered she’s Puerto Rican. Lol the experience of oppression truly does not bring solidarity, for many theory and education are required.

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          A lot of US latinos are often the oppressors while cosplaying as one of us actually living under their thumb. Explains why so many are quick to claim indigenous ancestry even though they would probably be claiming European ancestry if they lived in Latin America.

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            Explains why so many are quick to claim indigenous ancestry even though they would probably be claiming European ancestry if they lived in Latin America.

            I’m DEEPLY fascinated by this phenomenon since it has such stark implications about my heritage to know that I’m 2/3rds indigenous by DNA but do not qualify as such under any rules in any location and family lore has zero mention on it.

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              Are you mestizo? I am and even live near the indigenous group that I’m descended from. But I only speak two Euro languages (Spanish and English) and can only speak their language at the level of a middle schooler.

              A lot of US latinos are mestizo and probably claim to be indigenous because of likely strong indigenous features that they share. My issue with this is that they’re culturally anything but. They speak English and/or Spanish only, have no real knowledge of the group and just latch onto the most “badass” ones like Mayans or Aztecs, and have never once stepped foot in those communities. That to me is what it means to be indigenous more than bloodlines. It’s something you really have to be born and raised in.

              There’s also a lot of white supremacy in Latin American cultures and many mestizos like to claim European ancestry to seem superior. Older generations will even outright marry white people that have the stereotypical features of Western beauty. My own brother is like this and married a blonde English woman with blue eyes and pale skin. He specifically went out of his way to date foreign women with those features.

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                Anybody from any Latin American country can describe themselves as Latino, so if anything, it is an umbrella term for a number of nationalities, neither a race or an ethnicity.

                You can be white and Latino, or black and Latino, or indigenous and Latino or mestizo and Latin, the same way you could be any of those things and “American” (as in born in the United States).

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      One of the best selling musicals in the US consists of POC dancing and rapping happily as slave owners.

      They will act all tough and invoke “antifa” when it comes to American WWII soldiers. But when they see genocide and oppression happening in front of their eyes, and publicly supported by Israeli politicians, they will close their eyes.

      It’s like how Joseph Smith and Mormonism give us a modern account of how a mass religion is formed, and still millions of people support it despite the inhumane crimes. Israel is one of the countries that show us on our phones and screens how an apartheid state is formed and run, and millions of people still support it.

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      gotta look at it in the context of the information people have available to them. A lot of people in the West have been fed a steady stream of dehumanizing propaganda for decades that positions all Muslims and Arabs as barely human monsters who engage in all kinds of brutal and cruel violence purely out of malice. There are few if any voices countering this in the major media channels, which almost all liberal channels and all GOP channels fully on-board. European countries have been engaged in racial violence and discrimination against Muslims, especially Arabs and North Africans, for centuries.

      It’s a Plato’s cave thing. They’re not deeply weird people like us who have access to information that counters Western propaganda. Western propaganda is their whole world. And even then, a lot of people know or suspect it’s bullshit.

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        A lot of people in the West have been fed a steady stream of dehumanizing propaganda for decades that positions all Muslims and Arabs as barely human monsters who engage in all kinds of brutal and cruel violence purely out of malice.

        until it comes to Xinjiang. Then it’s opportunist time.

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        Except even if you only go by the major capitalist media outlets you can see that they constantly fucking lie to justify war and imperialism. They lied about the Nayirah testimony, about WMD in Iraq, about attempted genocide in Libya, about Afghanistan having anything to do with 9/11, and so on. There are people totally alienated from the contemporary political landscape of the West because they understand that everyone only does bad things but they don’t know how to stop it. The ‘people’ that swallow it whole recognize their interest in continued white supremacy and choose to reinforce the belief that it’s good.

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      Because ultimately the NIMBY type doesn’t care about what happens to brown people so they aren’t going to sweat the fact that the US subsidizes apartheid at the cost of tens of billions of dollars per year.

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      If Israel was an enemy of the West and not a strong ally, 90% of Americans would be supporting Palestine just on state propaganda alone.