These teens are getting roped into neo-fascism in absence of Marxist guidance showing them what the “matrix” actually represents. Vulnerable young men are getting told that yes, corporations are oppressing them, and yes, the US government is a puppet of the rich - but the solution being presented to them is to become an exploiter themselves rather than any form of class solidarity or dialectical materialism. I really feel like this “escape the matrix” rhetoric is the kind of thing we can capitalise on instead of just standing idly by as young men have their very real grievances with modern life twisted into something wholly unhealthy

  • Red Phoenix@lemmygrad.ml
    17·
    2 years ago

    I think a lot of these men are incels, so any approach has to offer solutions to that problem. Getting laid or getting a girlfriend is a very high priority for a lot of these men, so I don’t think they will care unless a ML approach offers viable solutions to that problem. Like someone who is starving, they will listen to those who claim to know how to get an abundance of food, and care less about the actual reasons as to why they are starving until their needs have been met.

    I think ML has an advantage because it is all about treating people equally, fairly, and with respect. Women want to be treated well. Someone just needs to develop dating advice from a ML perspective to reach these guys.

    • i_must_destroy@lemmygrad.ml
      17·
      2 years ago

      Becoming an ML was life changing for me in so many ways. I feel like I finally started to understand the reasons behind things.

      I also began to realize what it really meant to treat others with the basic respect that every human (by default - some people definitely don’t deserve respect due to their actions) deserves.

      • Red Phoenix@lemmygrad.ml
        12·
        2 years ago

        I can totally relate. It is truly life-changing. Aside from the new understanding of economics, politics, society, and everything else, becoming a ML has certainly helped improve my social skills, dating life, and relationships with others by increasing my empathy and respect for other people.

        I was an incel for a long time and turned to PUAs, dating and lifestyle coaches to help improve my social skills. Luckily I was already pretty far left so I was able to filter out the toxic garbage and just take the legitimate good advice. But the problem is a lot of guys swallow the whole package because they can’t separate the good from the bad. I think Communist dating coaches could be amazingly effective and reach a lot of decent people because all that toxic shit would be absent and it would just be pure objectively correct good advice.

        • i_must_destroy@lemmygrad.ml
          10·
          2 years ago

          I definitely had some incel tendencies when I was younger. I’m a bit older so that term wasn’t quite used, but I had some similar thoughts. Glad I don’t think like that anymore.

          Honestly, a lot of those guys just try way too hard. If you genuinely listen to someone and show them respect, they will probably like you.

          But also, no one is entitled to anyone else’s romantic feelings and certainly not their bodies. If someone isn’t interested, just respect that and move on. There are plenty of people, someone will like you (if you have a good personality).

          People would be so much happier to just check their egos. It’s genuinely the quickest way to find happiness.

    • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
      8·
      2 years ago

      It’s certainly doable.

      Not something I like to bring up, but I used to listen to Vaush back when he first hit the scene years ago. A big focus of his back then was reaching fascists, and he had several videos related to dating advice, and general advice for socializing/making friends/etc. Not perfect but it did a good job of giving a solution that wasn’t intrinsically linked to fascism. If a petulant liberal like him can do it, we certainly can.