However I would not say that the US will collapse. I do not say this lightly, but if trump wins the next election, the US has a straight one way fast pass to becoming a full blown Nazi state. Full religious nationalist theocracy mixed with fascistic privatization of all aspects of the country, combined with an insatiable arms buildup and war preparation.
They will 100% come around to mass executing the LGBT, minorities, any immigrants, non-Christians, Jewish people, the mentally ill and so on.
I think you might be overestimating how much power the Amerikan president has; at the end of the day, the state is controlled by the big bourgeoisie (including the MIC, etc.)
I didn’t say that he would become Hitler, but he would accelerate the fall into fascism to light speed
The chancellor of Germany also did not hold as much power as it did until Hitler began consolidating his base and his outreach, quickly destroying any and all threats and checks to his control. While this was “illegal” no one cared because he was an extremely charismatic and excellent orator that could mobilize his followers to do anything.
That sounds eerily similar to what he might attempt.
I’m sure they could get away with some things before the bourgeoisie has time to react, but the people who have any chance of being elected are already bourgeois themselves and/or firmly under bourgeois control (if a president acts against bourgeois interests regardless of this, they have many ways to de-fang or neutralize that person)
Did Germany cease to exist when the Nazis took power? Spain with Franco?
Unfortunately, the political entity (and huge army) of the US will still exist, even if they finally take the mask off and admit to their fascism. The best hope in that scenario would be a collapse of the state due to a lack of support and inability to suppress the people, but I can’t really see that happening in the US unfortunately. Some of their state police departments have bigger budgets than the armies of entire countries.
The population would be the same, but the country would no longer follow The United States Constitution, so it would be something different from the United States of America. There would undoubtedly be similarities with its predecessor, but it would not be the same.
Why would they need to abolish the Constitution to be a Nazi state? You simply come up with interesting interpretations of it as has been done since the beginning when it was convenient.
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However I would not say that the US will collapse. I do not say this lightly, but if trump wins the next election, the US has a straight one way fast pass to becoming a full blown Nazi state. Full religious nationalist theocracy mixed with fascistic privatization of all aspects of the country, combined with an insatiable arms buildup and war preparation.
They will 100% come around to mass executing the LGBT, minorities, any immigrants, non-Christians, Jewish people, the mentally ill and so on.
What do you see as being fundamentally different between the Biden and Trump regimes?
Biden is driven to maintain the status quo and current profit system.
Trump is also committed to this but he is much more egotistical, mentally ill, deranged, and nationalistic.
I think you might be overestimating how much power the Amerikan president has; at the end of the day, the state is controlled by the big bourgeoisie (including the MIC, etc.)
I didn’t say that he would become Hitler, but he would accelerate the fall into fascism to light speed
The chancellor of Germany also did not hold as much power as it did until Hitler began consolidating his base and his outreach, quickly destroying any and all threats and checks to his control. While this was “illegal” no one cared because he was an extremely charismatic and excellent orator that could mobilize his followers to do anything.
That sounds eerily similar to what he might attempt.
They do have more power than any president has ever actually exercised, especially if the bourgeoisie are behind it
I’m sure they could get away with some things before the bourgeoisie has time to react, but the people who have any chance of being elected are already bourgeois themselves and/or firmly under bourgeois control (if a president acts against bourgeois interests regardless of this, they have many ways to de-fang or neutralize that person)
Yes, I meant more so if a fascist took power and the bourgeoisie were supporting that
sure, a charismatic openly fascist president would be worse than the current setup, at least domestically
In my view, becoming a Nazi state would mean that the US was no more.
Did Germany cease to exist when the Nazis took power? Spain with Franco?
Unfortunately, the political entity (and huge army) of the US will still exist, even if they finally take the mask off and admit to their fascism. The best hope in that scenario would be a collapse of the state due to a lack of support and inability to suppress the people, but I can’t really see that happening in the US unfortunately. Some of their state police departments have bigger budgets than the armies of entire countries.
The population would be the same, but the country would no longer follow The United States Constitution, so it would be something different from the United States of America. There would undoubtedly be similarities with its predecessor, but it would not be the same.
Why would they need to abolish the Constitution to be a Nazi state? You simply come up with interesting interpretations of it as has been done since the beginning when it was convenient.
How so? It has, for decades now, only the violence was rarely directed inwards blatantly.
Then the US never was.