The Battle of Poitiers on 19 September 1356 CE was the second great battle of the Hundred Years’ War (1337-1453 CE) after Crécy (1346 CE) and, once again, it was the English who won. Edward the Black Prince (1330-1376 CE), son of Edward III of England (r. 1327-1377 CE), masterminded victory largely thanks to the continued domination of the powerful longbow weapon, Edward’s excellent defensive positioning, and the outdated reliance of heavy cavalry by the French leadership. A major consequence of the battle was that it allowed Edward III to keep 25% of France under the 1360 CE Treaty of Brétigny.
The Hundred Years’ War
In 1337 CE Edward III of England was intent on expanding his lands in France, and he had the perfect excuse as via his mother Isabella of France (b. c. 1289 CE and the daughter of Philip IV of France, r. 1285-1314 CE), he could claim a right to the French throne as nephew of Charles IV of France (r. 1322-1328 CE). Naturally, the current king, Philip VI of France (r. 1328-1350 CE) was unwilling to step down and so the Hundred Years’ War between France and England began. The name of the conflict, derived from its great length, is actually a 19th-century CE label for a war which proceeded intermittently for well over a century, in fact, not finally ending until 1453 CE.
The English had won the first major battle of the wars at Crécy in August 1346 CE and then captured Calais in July 1347 CE. The Black Death plague pandemic arrived in Europe from 1347 CE and England the following year but the Hundred Years’ War would resume in the middle of the next decade. As preparation for another major confrontation, Edward III’s eldest son, Edward of Woodstock, aka Edward the Black Prince, was charged with torching as many southwestern French towns, villages and crops as possible in 1355-6 CE, just as he had done before the Battle of Crécy ten years before. Gascony was raided and Bordeaux captured which the Black Prince thereafter used as his base for further destructive sorties. This strategy, known as chevauchée, had multiple aims: to strike terror into the locals, provide free food for an invading army, acquire booty and ransom for noble prisoners, and ensure the economic base of one’s opponent was severely weakened, making it extremely difficult for them to later put together an army in the field. The region Edward attacked was a major contributor to the French king’s coffers, and this brutal form of economic warfare weakened the enemy and obliged the French king to ultimately engage the enemy in a large-scale battle.
Battle
Following his ravaging of southwest France, the Black Prince had intended to link up with a second English army coming down from Normandy. This northern army, which had also been ravaging the towns and countryside, was led by Henry of Grosmont, the Duke of Lancaster. However, John II saw the danger and positioned his army around Chartres between the two enemy forces, obliging Edward to move back down to Gascony.
Then the French army swept southwards and surprised the Black Prince’s mixed force of English and Gascon troops on 18 September 1356 CE. Both sides used the breathing-space to strengthen their position: Edward by digging trenches and forming barricades with his supply wagons, John by assembling more troops. At this stage, some of the French commanders pushed for a more cautious but guaranteed strategy: surround the English and starve them out. King John, though, was confident in his numerical supremacy and opted for an all-out attack on Edward’s position.
The next day a mighty battle ensued 6.5 km (4 miles) from Poitiers in the mixed terrain of vineyards, woods, hedges, and marshes. Just as at Crécy, the French outnumbered their opponents, in this case perhaps by 35,000 to 7,000 (or 50,000 to 8,000 according to higher estimates favoured by some historians). In another repeat of Crécy, the English had taken up the better position on a small hill protected in the rear by a wood and in front by hedges and marshland. The French would have to narrow their battle lines and attack in waves uphill, tiring their knights and nullifying their numerical advantage.
The battle began around 8.00 a.m. and was over by lunchtime. Yet again the French commanders proved to be ill-disciplined and wilful, making any sort of strategic troop movements impossible. Various French cavalry charges, which were often uncoordinated between commanders, were broken up by the tight defensive lines of the English, arranged in the now customary three divisions (two at the front and one at the rear), and the terrain dotted with thick hedges. A feigned retreat led by the Earl of Warwick tempted another rash cavalry charge while Captal de Buch, the captain of the Gascon troops, raced around to the rear of the French causing still more confusion. Sir Geoffrey de Chargny, the standard-bearer of the French flag the Oriflamme - a signal to give no quarter - was cut down as the battle descended into vicious hand-to-hand combat.
Besides being repeatedly outmanoeuvred, once again the French could not find an answer to the range, power and accuracy of the English longbow. Another repeated English strategy was to have knights fight on foot for greater mobility in the confined terrain. The French followed suit, with King John himself leading his men on foot, but then an English cavalry reserve swept in and won the day. Edward’s army suffered only a few hundred casualties compared to the thousands of fallen Frenchmen.
King John Captured
Around 2,000 French knights were captured or killed, including the constable of France, both of the country’s two marshals, 13 counts, five viscounts, 21 barons, an archbishop, and Prince Philip. Even John himself was captured, the king having surrendered by giving his right glove to Sir Denis de Morbecque and then reassuring the victors that he would fetch a tidy ransom. Indeed, all of these nobles provided a huge potential for cash returns but John’s was astronomical, truly a king’s ransom at 4 million gold écus (triple David II of Scotland’s ransom, another captive king held by Edward III). So massive was this figure John was released in order to raise it from his kingdom while his son Louis was kept hostage in Calais. When Louis escaped, King John voluntarily handed himself back over for confinement, such were the unwritten rules of medieval chivalry.
Aftermath
After Poitiers, France, without its leaders, descended into the abyss of chaos. Most immediately, the disbanded French mercenaries who had fought so poorly caused havoc as they raided the surrounding area. Then King Edward pressed his advantage by marching on Rheims in 1359 CE, fully intending to have himself made king of the French where their monarchs were traditionally crowned. Rheims proved impregnable, though, and a harsh winter so reduced Edward’s army he was obliged to start peace talks. In May 1360 CE a treaty was signed between England and France. Under the Treaty of Brétigny, Edward’s claim to 25% of France (mostly in the north and south-west) was recognised and, in return, he gave up any ambition for the French crown itself.
The Hundred Years’ War carried on as Charles V of France, aka Charles the Wise (r. 1364-1380 CE) proved much more capable than his predecessors and began to claw back the English territorial gains. Edward III was now too old to campaign and was showing signs of senility. The Black Prince died, probably of dysentery, in June 1376 CE and so England’s martial prowess suffered a serious setback. Now, the only lands left in France belonging to the English Crown were Calais and a thin slice of Gascony. During the reign of Richard II of England (r. 1377-1399 CE) there was largely peace between the two nations but under Henry V of England (r. 1413-1422 CE), the wars flared up again and witnessed the great English victory at the Battle of Agincourt in October 1415 CE. Henry was so successful that he was even nominated as the heir to the French king Charles VI of France (r. 1380-1422 CE). Henry V died before he could take up that position, and the arrival of Joan of Arc (1412-1431 CE) in 1429 CE saw the beginning of a dramatic rise in French fortunes as King Charles VII of France (r. 1422-1461 CE) took the initiative. The weak rule of Henry VI of England (r. 1422-61 & 1470-71 CE) saw a final English defeat as they lost all French territories except Calais at the wars’ end in 1453 CE.
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I’m always so weirded out by those car commercials where a husband will surprise his wife with a car. That’s a big financial decision that you two probably should have talked about.
Car commercials are a fucking trip. I’m still stuck on a Jaguar “this car is for cheating on your wife” ad I saw on BBC America a few years back
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Oh shit, we’re hosting megathreads through other instances now? Democratic centralism?
Or is it Democratic decentralism?
Not every day you wake up and find out that some relatively mundane true crime case you’re vaguely familiar with just escalated into accusations of cops trying to cover up a white supremacist “odinist” ritualistic murder, and its apparently to some extent substantiated by the crime scene.
Double when I decided to read the defense document that this is from and they write shit like “Our client is being taped during visitation by alleged odinist prison guards and therefore cant say things like ‘I only confessed to the murders because the guards are threatening my wife and family’” with a footnote of “our client has never actually uttered these words, but the point is that he couldnt safely do so if he wanted to.”
Truly just baffling, what in tarnation.
LARPing as a mentally ill, lonely, religious fundamentalist with violent tendencies on the internet to see if I can get the FBI to send me a free gun
sorry to hear you’re going through a rough time king. say, do you happen to live near a mosque or synagogue?
I’m doing the leftist version of this and all it’s gotten me is 3 scene GFs and one guy offering me various longbows and crossbows to defend against a possible polearm assassin.
assassin whose weapon of choice is 12 feet long
what is this, amatuer hour? unless you’re going to assassinate a cavalry charge with 80 other polearm assassins by your side, put down the halberd and use something concealable you dumb fuck
In North Korea whenever the Supreme leader wants to do something unpopular he summons his magic wizard council of 9 hand picked wizard lawyers who do a seance with Kim Il Sung’s ghost to ask what he thinks and they always say that they should do the unpopular thing
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Death to all artists who draw armored women wearing boob plate. If you draw boob plate, I will come to your house and kill you. Make better character design.
Yes.
Fantasy world where women gladiators commission big titty armor plates to distract men so they can stab them in the neck.
Is it normal to still be hung up on a divorce 2.5 years later and still have feelings?
I’m still sad about friendships that have ended, you heal in your own time
Yeah same! every friend I’ve had where I felt a True Connection who I lost touch with, I still have waves of longing about them not being in my life anymore semi-regularly. Ditto for “what could have been” romances/almost romances (which often overlap with the close friend category tbh).
The worst thing about friend breakups is there usually isn’t a definitive moment where its like “its over and I need to move on” its a slow but inevitable fading :/
IMO there’s not really a “normal” timeframe, and it’s normal to carry the people who were close to us for most-if-not-all of our lives to a certain extent. if it’s still defining your existence though, it might help to talk to a professional or to do a deep dive into why you’re feeling that way and/or to how you can approach things differently such that it isn’t so defining anymore.
Talking to my therapist today. My old anniversary is tomorrow. My current gf is amazing in understanding me still being sad about it all on certain days
Honestly sounds more normal than the opposite. 2.5 years isn’t a very long time.
So long as it’s your divorce and not someone else’s
Me and my ex were together for 11 years. When I dream, we’re still together - every time, like nothing happened, sometimes we’re in bed just chilling, sometimes we’re out somewhere, sometimes we’re at my new place that they’ve never been to (obviously). And then I wake up. For me it’s been a lot shorter than 2.5 years lol but I kinda thought that sort of thing would eventually stop. I guess 11 years is a long long time to retrain my brain to going back to single mode.
Sometimes I see a meme or a funny video or something weird happens to me and I feel the urge to tell them, because that’s what I always did, and it’s a little sad to stop myself. I still sometimes idly type in their blogs name when I’m bored browsing at work and have to, like, quickly close out of that (that’d just be self-harm to cyberstalk at this point lol). Same deal, I’ve been doing that for 11 years and there’s just so much to untrain nevermind grieve.
terminal encounter indeed
oh jesus christ. the eeg tech had me hyperventilate for 3 minutes and the whole world broke. I’m still disoriented and feel like I’m dreaming hours later. I don’t ever want to do that ever again. and no I don’t mean the hyperventilating itself - something shattered in my head. I know my body was convulsing but at some point I lost track of everything for nearly 90 secs (tech was counting out the time for me). hopefully it registered on the eeg and I never have to do that again.
god damn I feel awful. wish I hadn’t taken my adhd meds this morning so I could just sleep. told work I’m taking the day off. anyone have advice on calming down and recovering post seizure?
Edit: that sounds like a terrible experience, I’m sorry that happened to you.
Not seizure specific, Draw a bath, low light setting, lavender, calming music, nibble on something sweet. Not sure if you feel exhausted or wound up, so a light chore may help you settle down. Sweep the floor or tidy a room idk
Not sure if you feel exhausted or wound up
it’s both at the same time. I’m veering between giddy, puking, crying, and unusually anxious. I have no clue what’s going on and my memory is fucked. can’t do chores cause the migraine that came afterwards is making me dizzy.
I’ll try the bath a little later when I get my balance back. gonna take some meds to try and force myself to sleep for now.
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