Materialism>idealism

I’m not trying to get into a whole debate, it’s just interesting to me the way some people cling to these idealist philosophers. Same w the stoics imo. As a guy who used to read all of them… they’re useless to actually understanding life. Like it can be helpful to read them in order to understand how the Western worldview evolved, but they really shouldn’t be taken as some sort of handbook - which many seem to do. (reactionaries). People who read Nietzsche or Plato and think they have some sort of secret insight is my biggest red flag irt pseudo-intellectual who is just going to waste your time… same with Dostoevsky btw.

Confucius is based af though.

Edit: Also, yes these kinds of people exist- my former mentor/boss who spent decades at a white shoe DC law firm would accept any idea if you found a quote by Plato to justify it lmao.

  • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
    51·
    2 years ago

    How does that make it any less disingenuous to claim he has nothing to do with Nazism? Or Italian Fascism, which also was greatly inspired by Nietszche’s writing?

    “They belong in the kitchen and their chief role in life is to beget children for German warriors.” Is Neitzsche’s view on women. At what point do you stop defending a dead guy whose writings directly influenced the Nazis and fascists, and who has countless terrible things like this that can be quoted and just say, “ah shit, yeah, he fucking sucked” and move on with your life?

      • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
        51·
        2 years ago

        Fuck no, you keep trying to declaim we need “nuance” and “context” when talking about a raging misogynist who wanted a return to Greek slavery, and believed that Black slaves came from “useless and harmful stock,” that Africans were “primeval” and felt less pain than white people

        If that’s what you’re defending and claiming isn’t connected to fascism, then what are you even doing here??

          • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
            32·
            2 years ago

            In Daybreak he pondered the possibility of importing Chinese workers to Europe to carry out menial tasks, because their “modes of life and thought” made them suitable “industrious ants”.

            Keep just defending Nietzsche mate

              • Seanchaí (she/her)@lemmygrad.ml
                31·
                2 years ago

                I actually have PDFs of Daybreak, Genealogy of Morals (where he claims Africans don’t feel pain like cultured elite whites) and Birth of Tragedy which is where I’ve been pulling my quotes from.

                It doesn’t take much to “read the whole thing for context” and see that the context is that he was a huge fucking fascist.