This is the exact same thing I was told when the mods on r/SocialistRA refused to address weird ass bullshit the community was doing regarding folks in Appalachia (notably after nationals rejected us organizing our own chapter in WV for no provided reason and just never established further contact). No one is going to pay to go to an official forum for discussion. They shouldn’t have to to establish interest. It’s just an awful marketing strategy. I’m kind of disappointed to see that talking point has worked its way over here.
Respectfully, and I mean this as constructively as possible: the community is still yours. Y’all have to own that nonsense in any part of the org (including the subs associated with it) and address it. It’s not attracting or conducive for some of us.
The community in both subreddits used to be cool when one of the founders actually used to participate in it. Some posts they made had pretty significant effects on people and are still getting referenced, I still refer people to this post on “cringe” for example.
The modteam and org really dropped the ball letting their communities get like this. They have progressed well beyond being spaces that turn people into leftists and have turned into sectarian shitholes full of the same fake anarchists that populate other sections of sectarian reddit who aren’t in any orgs and do absolutely nothing except sectarian infighting all the time. It actively harms the org because serious people see that shit and see the org as completely unserious.
This is really fucking easy to solve. It’s been solved in dozens of other subreddits since it reared its head. Just ban sectarianism, purge vaushites and drop bait every now and then to identify the people that need to be purged.
In my experience, it was the sectarianism of gun worship that exactly mimics NRA talking points. These people aren’t socialists, they’re anarchist gun nuts.
That’s a really good thread on the problem on the sub, it’s almost like they foresaw it and just gave up on addressing it. Still a good reference point though, thank you.
They chose mass-growth of the subreddit as a tool for advertising SRA over ideology and that worked for a good while but it became detrimental and they did nothing.
In their defence I suspect they don’t really have anyone on board the knows how to conduct a proper purge either. Ideally it would occur over several months and be conducted as silently as possible so as to not attract the neoliberal wrecker crowds who will pose as socialists and attempt to cause exoduses and drama in the community. The org membership touches grass whereas keeping this shit out requires people that completely immerse themselves in very-online reddit rubbish.
This is the exact same thing I was told when the mods on r/SocialistRA refused to address weird ass bullshit the community was doing regarding folks in Appalachia (notably after nationals rejected us organizing our own chapter in WV for no provided reason and just never established further contact). No one is going to pay to go to an official forum for discussion. They shouldn’t have to to establish interest. It’s just an awful marketing strategy. I’m kind of disappointed to see that talking point has worked its way over here.
Respectfully, and I mean this as constructively as possible: the community is still yours. Y’all have to own that nonsense in any part of the org (including the subs associated with it) and address it. It’s not attracting or conducive for some of us.
I’m not sure I understand the “talking point” you’re referring to. Organizations have official spaces. The SRA has made it clear that the subreddit is not one of them. And as such, drawing conclusions about the organization from a space that is not its own is… not going to be particularly constructive. It’d be like judging LemmyGrad based off of what users on Lemmy think about it. Sure, they sound similar, their audiences might overlap, but you’re not interacting with the source.
It might make it clear that it’s not an official space, but that doesn’t stop the community there from being bad for the image of the organisation and making people consider the org itself unserious.
Even the fact that most of these people aren’t org members is not relevant. Rick and Morty fans are not representative of the show but they affect it. The sympathisers and “fans” of the org participating in these spaces are affecting perception of the org in a very negative way.
This was visibly a problem over a year ago, but it was the Ukraine war situation that caused it all to get much much worse.
This is the exact same thing I was told when the mods on r/SocialistRA refused to address weird ass bullshit the community was doing regarding folks in Appalachia (notably after nationals rejected us organizing our own chapter in WV for no provided reason and just never established further contact). No one is going to pay to go to an official forum for discussion. They shouldn’t have to to establish interest. It’s just an awful marketing strategy. I’m kind of disappointed to see that talking point has worked its way over here.
Respectfully, and I mean this as constructively as possible: the community is still yours. Y’all have to own that nonsense in any part of the org (including the subs associated with it) and address it. It’s not attracting or conducive for some of us.
The community in both subreddits used to be cool when one of the founders actually used to participate in it. Some posts they made had pretty significant effects on people and are still getting referenced, I still refer people to this post on “cringe” for example.
The modteam and org really dropped the ball letting their communities get like this. They have progressed well beyond being spaces that turn people into leftists and have turned into sectarian shitholes full of the same fake anarchists that populate other sections of sectarian reddit who aren’t in any orgs and do absolutely nothing except sectarian infighting all the time. It actively harms the org because serious people see that shit and see the org as completely unserious.
This is really fucking easy to solve. It’s been solved in dozens of other subreddits since it reared its head. Just ban sectarianism, purge vaushites and drop bait every now and then to identify the people that need to be purged.
What does sectarianism mean in this context? Like, no arguments about what is a Leftist ideology and what isn’t?
In my experience, it was the sectarianism of gun worship that exactly mimics NRA talking points. These people aren’t socialists, they’re anarchist gun nuts.
That’s a really good thread on the problem on the sub, it’s almost like they foresaw it and just gave up on addressing it. Still a good reference point though, thank you.
They chose mass-growth of the subreddit as a tool for advertising SRA over ideology and that worked for a good while but it became detrimental and they did nothing.
In their defence I suspect they don’t really have anyone on board the knows how to conduct a proper purge either. Ideally it would occur over several months and be conducted as silently as possible so as to not attract the neoliberal wrecker crowds who will pose as socialists and attempt to cause exoduses and drama in the community. The org membership touches grass whereas keeping this shit out requires people that completely immerse themselves in very-online reddit rubbish.
I’m not sure I understand the “talking point” you’re referring to. Organizations have official spaces. The SRA has made it clear that the subreddit is not one of them. And as such, drawing conclusions about the organization from a space that is not its own is… not going to be particularly constructive. It’d be like judging LemmyGrad based off of what users on Lemmy think about it. Sure, they sound similar, their audiences might overlap, but you’re not interacting with the source.
It might make it clear that it’s not an official space, but that doesn’t stop the community there from being bad for the image of the organisation and making people consider the org itself unserious.
Even the fact that most of these people aren’t org members is not relevant. Rick and Morty fans are not representative of the show but they affect it. The sympathisers and “fans” of the org participating in these spaces are affecting perception of the org in a very negative way.
This was visibly a problem over a year ago, but it was the Ukraine war situation that caused it all to get much much worse.