Thoughts?
Don’t agree with his assessment at all pretty much, but still interested what yous think about that stance, because really I’ve not seen much theory based discussion on the topic since the early days of the conflict.
Thoughts?
Don’t agree with his assessment at all pretty much, but still interested what yous think about that stance, because really I’ve not seen much theory based discussion on the topic since the early days of the conflict.
You won’t get one. Unfortunately, a great many comrades have chosen to ignore Lenin’s lessons on imperialism in favor of a philistine “America bad, Russia good” analysis.
uh huh, then explain how them calling “the battle over ukraine is an imperialist war between Nato and Russia” follows Lenin’s lessons?
How is the Russian side of this war imperialist? @RedFields@lemmygrad.ml
I would rather give our comrades the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I wouldn’t. I’ve had my comments on this matter silently removed from threads–as in, not even showing up in the modlog-- before (and have had them removed completely, a problem I will remedy below shortly), on this particular post from a month ago:
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/190301
Notice how links to specific comments I’ve made don’t work; they revert back to the top-level post:
But I’ll happily explain, again, why I think this is an imperialist war on both fronts:
From Lenin:
Both NATO and Russia meet these five features handily.
Counter-arguments so far mostly boil down to variations on changing the names of things and thinking that changes the things themselves (something Engels warned us against):
China sells resources to the U.S. and Nato as well, is victimized by sanctions, and is willing to use force to defend itself and its allies from capitalist states.
None of these mean China is capitalist or imperialist. No one is denying Russia is a capitalist country, but Russia is providing resources and labor to imperialized countries for relatively small amounts of debt. I see your point but its a stretch.
Your right and you put it in a far better way than I could have managed. Thanks, comrade. I needed this have a good night mate.
Just curious, what does “Philistine” means in English? In context it seems it is some sort of “Black/White thinking mentality” or something.
That’s basically what I’m going for, yes. I intend it as a derogatory term for those that refuse to engage honestly and deeply with the matters at hand. I suppose I could also just say something else like “neo-Kautskyites.”
I see. It’s just that I, as a non-Anglo nor English-speaking expert, and into history, the only way I knew about Philistine was the mixed semitic Canaanite/Semitic people mixed with Sea immigrants/colonials from possibly the Hegean Sea that later in history the Romans called Palestinia/Palestine.
That’s categorically not true. The vast majority of leftists here only support Russia critically. Russia is a capitalist hellhole, and Putin is a maniacal reich-wing douchebag and he surely has ulterior motives. But to call or insinuate that Russia is imperialist is dishonest nonsense.
That you’ve been downvoted to hell here should dissuade you of the notion that most folks here “only support Russia critically.”
I’ve got less downvotes than you by a mountain’s worth. But those downvoting me were merely proving themselves wrong anyway. Your dick-measuring contest is stupid.