• zephyrvs
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    1 year ago

    Lots of videos of pro-coup/military protests on the streets.

    Even if the West intervenes, Africa is growing stronger and less dependent. Multi polarity can’t be stopped anymore.

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      1 year ago

      Africa is growing stronger and less dependent.

      Africa is growing less dependent on European democracies and more dependent on Russian and Chinese dictatures. Good for them if they feel that it is in their interest. History will tell.

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        Well, European “democracies” built their wealth by exploiting those countries through colonisation, coups, and political assassination. On the other hand, Russian and Chinese “dictatures” respectively built their wealth through the extraction of their own resources, and by building their own productive force.

        Theoritically, it should work better for them. Chinese loans are already working better than IMF ones so it’s looking good so far.

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          I can always count on a Lemmygrad account to spread disinformation. Russia has brutally exploited it’s neighbors to the point they formed an unprecedented defense alliance to protect themselves from Russia.

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        There can literally be nothing worse than European dominance. There has never been a more brutal, more murderous, more rapacious, more extractive, more devastating, more dehumanizing, more violent, or more destructive movement for dominance than the last 600 years of the European project. Requiring that the West compete with other world powers to offer better terms and less oppression is going to result in positive movement for everyone EXCEPT the West who will have to adjust to less profit.

        Remember, for every dollar that goes to poor countries in aid, 2.5 dollars come out of those countries and back to the West.

        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jan/14/aid-in-reverse-how-poor-countries-develop-rich-countries

        Developing countries were erroneously overbilled $700Bn in 2012 alone, which is literally 5x the humanitarian aid they received.

        So with all due respect, fuck the West and fuck the propaganda that makes you think the “dictatures” are worse.

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      1 year ago

      French military has been working with Niger’s military for quite me time, actually placing French soldiers under the commandment of Niger’s generals in their fight against Islamists. They will only act if the mob attacks French nationals, who are in the hundreds.

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      Niger is going to need a healthy dose of freedom and democracy to make sure that France can keep getting the uranium it needs to run its reactors.

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        Nah, they will gladly let Russia take the lead of imperialism and dictatorship. France had enough of that shit already and can find other suppliers for uranium. Also, let them deal with islamists, education needs, health care and all the costly help that democracies have supplied over the years.

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          It seems France didn’t have enough otherwise they would free the colonies they still have and pay reparations for hundreds of years of imperialism and colonisation.

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            In recent history, every otherseas territory that demanded independence was able to hold a (up to 3) referendum. Most territories that had those referendums chose to leave but not all. People there have been French with equal rights for decades or centuries. The world is nor black and white my friend.

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              Do you know similar things happen in Ukraine no? I guess one is a bad empire and the other one is a good, white empire. Stop giving excuses and free the colonies.

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                  I’m just pointing out that filling a land with settlers and then doing a referendum to see what they prefer is not an argument. I was pointing out the duality, because if I were to say that in Crimea they say they want to belong to Russia you would tell me x, y or z, but if the same happens in a Western colony you defend them. Seems hypocrite.

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          Nigerians don’t seem very happy with all that “costly help supplied by French democracy”. If history is any indicator, that deal wasn’t something beneficial for all parties involved.

          If even Italian right wingers can call you out on your neo-colonialist shit you’re either bad at PR or you’re actually still a colonizer.

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            None of your arguments makes sense by I agree France should have left the Sahel long ago. The islamist attacks of the mid-2010s brought them back for security reasons, they’ll leave for security reasons. My point about Russia and Wagner stands.

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          As though Russia could EVER come close to the amount of blood shed by French imperialism.

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            Another great point from lemmygrad: Other people did bad things in the past so it’s ok for [CCP/Kremlin] to do it now.