Hyprland has a right-wing reactionary community surrounding it. For instance, on their Discord a trans person had their username’s pronouns changed to (who/cares) by a moderator after being upset that they were misgendered.
Hyprland is a right-wing community, because a sole moderator is being a dick to the trans community? Am I reading that correctly? Must be missing some context
Last part isn’t true, he was banned for refusing to give his own community a COC that was compatible with the freedesktop one. Which is quite an overreach IMHO.
I admit, I was partially wrong. The CoC violations occured outside freedesktop and he received an email from a freedesktop member stating that their CoC does extend outside their immediate project, to some extent.
This isn’t that unreasonable in my opinion, considering that his behavior “reflects on communities like [FreeDesktop] when [they] interact with and accept contributions from hyprland.”
Of course this should only apply to severe CoC violations considering that two different CoCs rarely overlap in full.
So the reason for the ban was that hyprland’s developer published their email exchange and wrote an extensive, surprisingly hostile blog post about it.
I genuinely recommend reading their exchange, I’ve rarely seen this amount of hostility and toxicity in an email exchange - followed up with “I hope we can resolve this constructively” and “I will be seeking legal action if you continue threatening to ban me”.
I have read them. While Vaxry makes his points in typical Vaxry fashion he’s not wrong IMHO.
I think it’s ridiculous and unprecedented to demand that other open source projects adhere to the rules of another project. If more projects would do that then where will it end? The big COC wars where camps of open source projects are split and fractured along opinions of how one should moderate their own communities? This is not the way to work together with others.
The demand was not about Vaxry’s own behaviour outside freedesktop, but about his community. I disagree that behaviour there reflects on freedesktop itself. Hell, I think a lot of people who use Hyprland couldn’t even explain what freedesktop is and does.
So in my opinion Vaxry was right to refuse the demand, and right to publish the email conversation about it. Openness in open source about these sorts of things is important. His hostility in writing about it is something else altogether. Feel free to judge him on that, but it doesn’t retroactively excuse freedesktop’s behaviour.
I’ve been using Hyprland for a couple of years now. Not really interacted with the community(discord) a great deal but when I have I’ve not seen anything like that previous incident.
That counterpoint says that the only CoC he would write is “don’t be an asshole” and refutes the transphobia misgendering shit by posting the wider context where the guy is explicitly an immediate, unprovoked asshole to the person for having pronouns in their username. Tries to claim that the trans person being mocked “started it” by misgendering first, when the person in question simply assumed a gender to prove a point about the utility of pronoun tags, unlike the guy who deliberately chose to use the wrong pronouns to address someone, like an asshole.
it sucks, I guarantee if we scratch the surface of any package’s community you’ll find no shortage of libertarian bigoted weirdos. don’t know what to do with the information on that scale
Good ol squircles, transphobia and nice animations. All a good compositor needs.
The what now😐
Hyprland has a right-wing reactionary community surrounding it. For instance, on their Discord a trans person had their username’s pronouns changed to (who/cares) by a moderator after being upset that they were misgendered.
Hyprland is a right-wing community, because a sole moderator is being a dick to the trans community? Am I reading that correctly? Must be missing some context
No, this was an instance of transphobia in their official Discord community. See this for context.
Another instance is how Hyprland’s developer is banned from contributing to freedesktop.org for repeated COC violations.
Last part isn’t true, he was banned for refusing to give his own community a COC that was compatible with the freedesktop one. Which is quite an overreach IMHO.
I admit, I was partially wrong. The CoC violations occured outside freedesktop and he received an email from a freedesktop member stating that their CoC does extend outside their immediate project, to some extent.
This isn’t that unreasonable in my opinion, considering that his behavior “reflects on communities like [FreeDesktop] when [they] interact with and accept contributions from hyprland.”
Of course this should only apply to severe CoC violations considering that two different CoCs rarely overlap in full.
So the reason for the ban was that hyprland’s developer published their email exchange and wrote an extensive, surprisingly hostile blog post about it.
I genuinely recommend reading their exchange, I’ve rarely seen this amount of hostility and toxicity in an email exchange - followed up with “I hope we can resolve this constructively” and “I will be seeking legal action if you continue threatening to ban me”.
I have read them. While Vaxry makes his points in typical Vaxry fashion he’s not wrong IMHO.
I think it’s ridiculous and unprecedented to demand that other open source projects adhere to the rules of another project. If more projects would do that then where will it end? The big COC wars where camps of open source projects are split and fractured along opinions of how one should moderate their own communities? This is not the way to work together with others.
The demand was not about Vaxry’s own behaviour outside freedesktop, but about his community. I disagree that behaviour there reflects on freedesktop itself. Hell, I think a lot of people who use Hyprland couldn’t even explain what freedesktop is and does.
So in my opinion Vaxry was right to refuse the demand, and right to publish the email conversation about it. Openness in open source about these sorts of things is important. His hostility in writing about it is something else altogether. Feel free to judge him on that, but it doesn’t retroactively excuse freedesktop’s behaviour.
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I’ve been using Hyprland for a couple of years now. Not really interacted with the community(discord) a great deal but when I have I’ve not seen anything like that previous incident.
Has? Or had? The thing you mentioned about a troll is 2 years ago.
I’m not actively following it since I stopped using Hyprland around that time.
If there has been significant positive change since then I stand corrected.
I’m not a native English speaker. What does “I stand corrected”?
It’s an idiom about admitting you’re wrong.
In other words, you could write the sentence as:
“If there has been significant positive change since then, I admit that what I wrote was wrong.”
It means they admit they were wrong and you were correct. As in, “I have been corrected.”
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Vaxrys literally arguing that Hitler should be welcome in communities as long as pushes his goal of gassing of people outside the discord server, but “SJWs” are the real bigots ruining communities
That counterpoint says that the only CoC he would write is “don’t be an asshole” and refutes the transphobia misgendering shit by posting the wider context where the guy is explicitly an immediate, unprovoked asshole to the person for having pronouns in their username. Tries to claim that the trans person being mocked “started it” by misgendering first, when the person in question simply assumed a gender to prove a point about the utility of pronoun tags, unlike the guy who deliberately chose to use the wrong pronouns to address someone, like an asshole.
This man is a clown fuck hyprland.
it sucks, I guarantee if we scratch the surface of any package’s community you’ll find no shortage of libertarian bigoted weirdos. don’t know what to do with the information on that scale