Not one word in there about turning to the right, campaigning with Cheneys, ignoring all progressive policies, and generally behaving like R-lite in a bid to court R-votes that never came, with no message other than “look how much worse Trump is”. I’m a little disappointed in Rolling Stone, but not at all surprised that the people they interviewed left those things out.
Ultimately, if this is their analysis, they’ll make the 2016 mistakes for a third time in 2028.
Twelfth.
Democrats fall for this grift so often, they should change the party symbol to a pigeon.
Don’t over analyze it, America is not ready for a woman to be president. So many women just want to take down other women that its just not time, which is sad. Adding some racial diversity in there just sealed the deal.
More women voted for Hillary than Kamala by percent. The gender gap was way wider too. You can literally just look at the statistics and disprove your own bullshit. Kamala didn’t lose because she was a woman because even compared to the other recent woman candidate she did poorly with women.
Funny how female Democratic senators won in three of the swing states Kamala lost, almost as if sexism wasn’t the deciding factor… but that could imply that Kamala failed for a reason that’s potentially her own fault, which might require some kind of self-reflection on the part of the Democratic party, and we absolutely can’t have that under any circumstances. The Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed.
The economic messaging was the main thing but even taking that as a given that they had to follow their donors’ interests, it was just a really poorly executed campaign. Had to be to get the worst results since the Republicans won California. Tbh Harris just has terrible political instincts and she would’ve never survived a competitive primary (as evidenced by 2020).
One thing that’s staggering to me is that they left Hasan Piker as an untapped resource. I’m not like a big fan of his but if you have this field of streamers where all the big names are right-wing, except one, you should really consider, like, figuring out what he’s tapping into or doing right, idk, hire him as a consultant, go on his stream, do something with him. The Democrats are so slow to adapt strategically while the Republicans are much quicker to adapt, and idk what that’s about, complacency ig.
Obviously the Dick Cheney strategy was completely useless, as usual. Democrats are married to this conventional wisdom, treated as a truism, that the way to win is by appealing to the median centrist voter, along this purely one dimensional spectrum of politics which is completely divorced from reality. I suspect the article is correct that they’re too caught up in analytics that they lose sight of how people actually think.
When they started listening to Democrat leadership instead of going with the momentum, I knew it was over. Pelosi and the gang urged the campaign to stop using “weird” and to court centrists with the Cheyne stunt.
If she had publically turned on Pelosi instead of bowing to her, she might have won. Hell, might have even had more luck attracting people on the right who didn’t like Trump that way.
One of the things the MAGA heads I used to live around liked about Bernie was that he was giving Clinton grief.
Yeah don’t forget to add the fact she couldn’t differentiate herself from biden on the palestine issue
Yeah don’t forget to add the fact she couldn’t differentiate herself from biden on the palestine issue
She absolutely could have. She chose not to.
We don’t need campaign insiders to tell us anything. We watched her do all the wrong things, just as any corporate democrat candidate would. It’s not like anything was a secret. If she wanted workers’ votes, all she had to do was actually push some decent policies.
We don’t need campaign insiders to tell us anything.
Mostly because they haven’t learned shit. They still think they just needed more time or to change their advertising strategy. It’s infuriating. It’s not how the message was presented, it’s the damn message!
yeah i’d like to hear from Dem voters that didn’t vote for Harris
Like for realsies, or just to shout at them? Because this being lemmy and all…
The people you are looking for are white men and hispanic men.
Those were the biggest voter group shifts that voted for Biden but didn’t vote for Harris.
So the simple answer is that Machismo culture makes too many big strong American men literallt too insecure to vote for a woman
Didn’t she lose ground on nearly every demographic? This is such trash analysis, just datamining and then applying stereotypes to avoid admitting any fault on the part of the campaign’s strategy.
By claiming that she lost because she’s a woman of color, the party has an excuse to prevent AOC from running in '28.
She gained gained women in every group besides white women where she lost a small margin.
But the biggest thing was she lost a shit ton of white voters, not to the Republicans tho, basically the old wealthy white people who would vote for an old white man dem but not a woman dem stayed home.
Both the dems and Republicans had fewer votes in 2024 compared to 2020, but there were a lot more dem voters from 2020 that stayed home this time.
The part I don’t understand is why everyone always downvotes me for pointing out the obvious.
Older white men/women and latino men are too racist/sexist to bring themselves to vote for a colored woman. Shouldn’t be that hard to understand considering how bigoted our country is.
She gained black men
No, she didn’t. She got 78% of black men compared to 80% going to Biden last election.
The reason you get downvoted is that accusing voters of bigotry is a way of deflecting from actual strategic failures, things that could’ve been done differently, and more importantly, could be done differently in the future. It’s a way of saving face at the cost of self-reflection and improvement. It’s just an excuse.
It’s also simply not true. Three swing states that Kamala lost elected female Democratic senators. Given the very limited dataset we have to extrapolate from, it’s hard to imagine a world with more compelling evidence that your narrative is false.
Oh shit I meant to take out the part about black men, thanks.
The dems lack policy, but the specifically white and latino men who stayed home didn’t do it because of policies. The dems had no change in policy and they had no issues voting for it the first time. I get it that toxic masculinity makes a lot of men in the US into snowflakes when trying to talk about our bigot problems, but downvotes don’t change observable reality.
I don’t care what senators were elected, that has nothing to do with the presidential canidate being a woman. And it has nothing to do with who old white people want as president.
pinky swear for reals
all she had to do was actually push some decent policies.
yeah you showed that woman what for, and the next 4 are going to be simply GRAND.
pfft.
I wasn’t trying to show her anything. Why would I? Why would anyone? You have really strange views on how people choose who to vote for.
sure thing sparky.
I held my nose and voted for her. She would have been so much better then Trump but she was still a bad candidate.
Critiquing the unpopular policies she ran under and lost with might help the Democratic party get it’s shit together next time.
so you want a cookie?
what a little ween thing to say
aw didja get upset sport? it’s ok, you’ll forget tomorrow and spend the next 4 years blaming other people for your problems regardless.
So you want to just watch the Dems keep failing?
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Keep gloating that people who agree with you run the party. Into the ground.
They lost because they were offering the same bs they always do. No amount of time would have saved them. Trump won because he said he would do things differently. Harris lost because she wasted time fighting the Trump icon instead of offering solutions for everyday people.
Hopefully this failure will help push forth a party for the people instead of the garbage us vs them that we always get from both major parties.
If they’d had an actual primary they would have gotten the pulse of the nation and wouldn’t have been defending an economy most people thought was bad.
Trump won because americans are so incredibly stupid as a nation they think a felon who attempted coup to stay in power is better than a traditionally bad candidate.
Democrats thought they could get away with running a traditionally bad candidate.
I’m not really sure any of this even matters. The dems probably lost for something as stupid as inflation being attributed to the current administration. I bet if that doesn’t come down or gets worse congress is gonna flip right back in two years. Everyone here has the damn memory of a goldfish.
If Democrats don’t treat voters like they’re distractable idiots with the memory of a goldfish they won’t win any more elections.
I think it matters because this election was one more nail in the neo-liberal coffin. I don’t think the reactionary response is very good though. Instead of saying hey those rich ass rent seekers are taking too much of our economic pie the electorate picked the guy scapegoating immigrants. Historically this is probably a bad path. Personally I’m not a fan of the right wing authoritarians, and sadly the competition is going to be them fucking up not anyone challenging them outright.
Which could just be a natural outcome of our political system. Because, I am not sure that a representative democracy that allows rampant unchecked capitalism to buy our government, will ever be the check on power we need.
I bet if that doesn’t come down or gets worse congress is gonna flip right back in two years.
It’s very likely that it won’t come down unless we have another pandemic situation, and even then only on certain commodities like gasoline that people will be using less of.
Considering how tariff-happy trump is, it’s quite likely that prices will rise. Provided Republicans’ attempts to fuck with the electoral process prove ineffective, it’s entirely possible that Republicans will get rejected in '26.
It’s horrifying that our hopes of anything getting better ride on Republicans being unwilling or unable to fuck things up in one arena while simultaneously seeing resounding success in fucking up another.
As a food analogy harris is a soggy burger thats sat in the fridge for 2 days and wasn’t good to begin with. Instead of eating the burger every single person in america who did not vote for harris went outside and ate a pile of glass shards.
Instead of eating the burger every single person in america who did not vote for harris went outside and ate a pile of glass shards.
sigh
People stayed home because Harris was a shit candidate. Like everyone on the left warned centrists they would. But since centrists would rather eat that pile of glass shards than ever listen to anyone to their left about anything, trump won.
Its crazy, they spent all that money when all they had to say on live TV to win everyone over (if all you want is to win of course) by saying fuck Israel, no more arms, and fuck all of you being poor, we’re going to fix that shit like we did a century ago. Thats all they had to do imo. The Steam from it would have reverberated through every nook and crany.
They could have handled the Michigan problem in a lower key. Letting them speak at the convention and promising real investigations with paused shipments. That way they get the moral high ground for both sides without taking a side.
And as for the affordability crisis. All they had to do was say, we know we have more work to do, we successfully avoided a recession and more we must make sure we don’t leave everyday Americans behind. Then go on to talk about trust busting, grocery prices, housing prices, car prices.
Instead they chose fear mongering and status quo. It was an out of touch campaign run by out of touch corporate elites.
They could have handled the Michigan problem in a lower key. Letting them speak at the convention and promising real investigations with paused shipments.
Exactly. As much as I wish Americans were ready to cut off aid to Israel, that’s just not the case. The majority of Americans disapprove of Israel’s actions in Gaza, but they’re still broadly supportive of Israel. Labeling the conflict a genocide and ending all military support would have won me over, but it probably would have been a net loss. Still, there were a lot of small steps they could have taken to show support to the Palestinian population and capitalize on the growing disapproval on Gaza, and instead they chose full-throated support.
Basically she wasn’t willing to throw Biden under the bus even a little, and that was the problem.
No way, instead let me bombard you with emails like a needy ex.
This is so fucking naive. Majority of Americans don’t give a shit about the Palestinian people.
Well, if those that do aren’t significant enough to listen to, they’re not significant enough to blame.
Most people care their tax dollars are being spent on genocide. Even if the sales make us money.
The comment is also about how she never effectively messaged she would make changes for the poor and working class.
Basically she wasn’t willing at any point to acknowledge Biden failed to tackle some things like the affordability crisis and reigning in Netanyahu.
Is it too cynical to say that her billion dollar campaign was a money laundering operation?
A lot of this information is public because they had to file their campaign spend with the FEC. They spent a fuck ton buying ad spots on social media, TV, billboards, print, etc.
They gave a lot of money to their consultants and advertisers, all perfectly legal.
Cui bono?
By god that seems like the dumbest possible choice given that the Democrats are routinely criticized for being elite and out of touch.
How about a giant, ever gazing, magical, orb displaying our leader’s head with a command for the public? Surely that will make us seem down to earth and in touch with the common person.
To be fair, to buy a lot of ads, you typically have to give a lot of money to advertisers.
Meh… Less than 3 million vote swing and everyone is clamoring to explain how this is the most successful precise strategic political victory in history for Democrats. Instead everyone has their own opinion about why it’s the greatest meandering boondoggle ever.
I think the gist of the article is correct. And it could be written a lot shorter. Basically Democrats have ignored men. It’s been about 10 years and they still don’t get it. Men are people too. We vote.
Yeah we suck. We’re shitlord ra[p|c]ists. So forget about men, right? We’re persona non grata. Pretty much the Democrat strategy of this generation. Both parties have siloed into their own base. Unfortunately for Democrats they don’t have the disaffected male vote which is costing them greatly.
This wasn’t so much a political loss for the Democrats. It was a cultural one. Politically the people want liberal policy. As evidenced by the fact that without the lens of partisanship, people tend to prefer what liberals offer. e.g. Obamacare without the stink of “Obamacare” is just healthcare that even republicans support and rely on.
Republicans are winning the culture war which is translating to sweeping political victories. As much as the claim to be taking devastating hits in the face of some made up Democrat goliath of oppression. Reality has proven to be the opposite. Democrats are not in tune with the people. Having entertainment and the music industry has only gotten them 1 for 3 in as many elections.
The article is wrong about Democrats having mainstream media on their side. MSM supports Trump. It was clear in 2016 for those of us keeping score. Trump was the medias favorite to win back then too. They loved the ratings. Now? I think some of them have simply gone mask off. “Sanewashing” as people are calling it. The media won’t cover things as they are. They stretch the overton window to normalize the far right while the left gets no such reciprocation.
The article is also wrong about gamers being historically progressive. This is a fictional archetype of innocent nice-guy nerds. This is basically an entirely made up Hollywood movie trope. Gamers have always been reactionary. The difference is that gamers we’re not political.
And I think “gamer” should be expanded to internet culture. The historically predominantly male online nerd cultures but we’ll keep calling them “gamers” here.
Republicans identified this back in 2016. Democrats are still clueless about it in 2025. Just a bunch of edgelord gamer kids who don’t vote anyways. Those kids are now adults. In fact many of those gamers were adults back then too. Yeah they’re pathetic old man-children playing video games all day but they vote none the less. At least they can be persuaded to which is what Republicans have been doing. So by now Democrats have lost generations of voting age men. They will continue to fight this ever steeper uphill battle.
Nobody on the left has an answer for how to actually reach these voters. It’s made even more difficult when people won’t even acknowledge the fact that these men we’re not ever progressive to begin with. Gamers have always been racist and sexist. The difference that people can’t attune to is that they were not political so they assume these nerds must be progressive by default. Because shouting n-bombs is fine when you follow up with “it’s just a joke bro”. To be frank people seem to have fallen for one of the oldest tricks when someone says “I’m no racist but … It’s just the facts bro. You can’t argue with facts.” That’s a classic gamer-isms / internet-isms.
Gamers did not pivot into reactionary. They were activated politically. It’s an old meme that you would not be anyone’s “personal army”. In other words you’d remain apolitical. Not to be mistaken for not having political opinions but that you wouldn’t be actively engaged in politics. Republicans blew up floodgates holding that back. Another meme was to “hide your power level”. In other words don’t reveal you’re far right opinions. Another thing that was done away with. But really it was a symbolic gesture since nobody really hid their bigotry online. Especially not gamers.
Democrats should have prioritized trying strategize this problem. They’ve had 10 years of ignoring it. They’ve dug their own grave at this point. If they still don’t know these basic things about internet culture then they’re doomed to keep losing in the foreseeable future.
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And here I thought lemmy would be better than reddit.
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You okay?
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