• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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        and yugoslavia’s socialism would still be around today!

        Not really though. Do note that the Yugoslavia (and Albania) were the only socialist countries unaligned to USSR that fell together with USSR. It points on that they were still protected by the USSR presence, and the west assault on them was enough to topple them. They would not survived alone regardless of Tito’s reforms.

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          If it had fallen from the outside, it would be much easier to re-establish. Also maybe yugoslavia could get some nukes or something. Sorry, I’m just rambling at this point. A united socialist balkans would be beautiful. Heck, just Yugoslavia still being together would be great! I fear they will never unite.

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            It fallen from combined inside and outside influences. Just outside, as you said, would made it easier to defend and reestablish. Inside ones were never enough to explode it before, but without even distant protection of USSR and under political, economical and military attack by the west it was more than enough.

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    greatest statesman of 20th century europe, just behind stalin. it is a shame that they didn’t get along. i always respected tito as an individual and as a leader, and yugoslavia was a powerful and prosperous state while he lived. unfortunately, his biggest mistake was not preparing the state for times when he would be gone. in more ways than one, he was very naive and perhaps too kind-hearted (considering how easily everything he built and achieved was picked off by western and nationalist vultures inside yugoslavia).

    i had an even higher opinion of him before i started getting interested in interacting in leftist communities and his yugoslavia was close to my idea of a state i would like to live in and support. but now as i read more ML articles i cant help but admit that he could have done better. perhaps if it wasnt for the feud between him and stalin, maybe he would have stayed more true to marxism-leninism (which would definitely have safeguarded yugoslavia for much longer, rather than almost immediately decaying after his death). one could speculate how things would have looked if he supported the greek communists in the civil war (which again, he would have if it wasnt for the feud).

    nevertheless, it cant be denied that while he lived, he has done great things to his people and his mistakes aside, he had the right idea. look at the balkans. before him, it was a mess. after his death, it was a mess. while he lived, there was a true power to be reckoned with.

    while i previously (and perhaps still) consider myself a titoist despite never living in yugoslavia, nowadays i am searching for materials and resources on what titoism really was, and how titos “market socialism” compared to NEP or economical reforms by deng xiaoping. perhaps someone can point me to the right places?

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      There’s a good section on the Yugoslavian economy and worker self management in particular in “Economic Democracy: The Political Economy of Self Management and Participation” by Donald George. It is available on Libgen in scanned PDF. I’m actually working on turning it into a searchable epub at the moment.