• golli@lemm.ee
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    12 hours ago

    December 6, 20241:33 PM GMT+1 Updated 13 days ago

    Seems a bit old to post considering how fast the situation evolved there.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      12 hours ago

      I don’t see what about the analysis here from 13 days ago has been invalidated as the situation has been developing over past two weeks. Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us on that?

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        10 hours ago

        Things did change though. Looking at maps from December 6th we were seeing attacks on Homs and rapid advances of the southern uprisings towards Damascus. The Israeli invasion was not really in the cards, the SNA/SDF battle over Manbij had not yet begun and it was entirely possible that SAA loyalist forces would make last stands in Damascus or Latakia.

        If we were to broadcast potential for displacement from today it would be a different beast. You’re talking about uprisings in the north-east, potential entry of the Turks into SDF territory and the eventual ethnic cleansing that Israel is going to do. But all the major population centers are under control of a single faction now. The numbers would have to be different than back then.

        If you straight up assume that Jolani’s government will turn into the Taliban at some point, then the numbers would be way higher than 1.5 million too.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          10 hours ago

          I’d argue that Israeli invasion was very much predictable given that they were already occupying Golan Heights. It was pretty obvious that they would try to expand their area of control as soon as central government fell. I’d also argue that Jolani faction isn’t actually governing much of anything. It’s just one of many different factions that are all fighting each other and that have different backers. So, yeah if anything the 1.5 million figure is very much a low ball estimate, and actual refugee crisis will be far greater.

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            10 hours ago

            Even if we agree that everything I listed was predictable all along (which I don’t think is fair, I mean there’s Israel being an expansionist Apartheid state, and then there’s the rest of the civil war proceeding as it did), it doesn’t change anything I said. If you’re making estimates on Dec 6th you aren’t gonna be like ‘it will be 1.5 million displaced people assuming the SAA folds without fighting a single battle’. You’ll say ‘considering the ongoing battles and the potential for further escalation, we estimate up to 1.5 million displaced people at this moment’.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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              6 hours ago

              Like I said, I think 1.5 million is the lowest number, my expectation is that the actual number will be much higher.