No one can be this stupid, surely?the quote has been deliberately misrepresented
He actually said “The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years to Ancient Rome.”
which could be inferred to be a reference to the large number of italian americans especially on the east coast and their effect on the US culture and the fact that much of the US political system is inspired by southern european governments. Ancient Rome had a senate too
Not on Spain?
And he’s still wrong.
Also that the Roman legislation principles is the foundation for all modern countries with a court, parlament and executive power. The American fumbling fathers even went so far as to copy many parts of it. Hence the name senate for instance. And much of the architecture was inspired or copied from Palladio. So you get that neoclassical look that is the hallmark of DC
the Roman legislation principles is the foundation for all modern counties with a court, parliament and executive power
The Roman consul and senate are nominatively similar to modern parliaments. But their functions were radically different. You don’t have MPs and Senators obtaining their positions by leading armies of conquest abroad and bringing back slave captives to be tributed to the imperial core. You don’t have civil wars to decide the next President or a pagan faith that places the nation’s political leadership in the pantheon of occupied territories at sword point. You don’t have a single city’s local residents comprising the near-totality of the national body politic.
The American fumbling fathers event went so far as to copy many parts of it.
The iconography. Not the function. The actual political system was based on local colonial government organizations built on the back of the founding compacts of the first settlers. Local assemblies and mayoralities and governorships were features of European colonial rule, not Roman republicanism. State assembles and a national legislature/executives were features of Dutch protestant joint-stock company boards/executives not Roman dictatorships. Courts were based on the English Common-Law system not Roman Codes.
FFS, early American politicians knew jack shit about Roman civilization. They were working off of pseudohistory largely invented during the era of Charlemagne and passed telephone-style through editorialized written and oral histories for the next 1400 years. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison looked at the French Catholic aesthetic, which sought to invoke Roman art and architecture, and cribbed it to appeal to his snobby know-nothing American Protestant peers. Also, a ton of Freemason wink-wink shit. That’s why they were putting pyramids and fasces on all their early works.
And much of the architecture was inspired or copied from Palladio. So toy get that neoclassical look that is the hallmark of DC
That’s absolutely true. Although the real neoclassical look of DC wasn’t really the focus of the city until the 19th century, because that shit was expensive to build and you needed Lincoln’s greenbacks and the industrial revolution machinery to complete big iconic construction projects.
But it was all aesthetics, no substance. A bunch of ionic column toppers does not a Roman political system make.
I made a short and very simple reply. I am not American so I have a cursory knowledge of the history and early culture. Your reply is far more eloquent than anything I had the patience to write on phone :) I will not argue your points.
When I made the reference to Palladio it was because especially Jefferson was greatly influenced by himand responsible for much of the early DC buildings like The Capitol and The White House. I don’t know how much Jefferson knew about ancient Rome, but he did own a copy of I quattro libri dell’architettura (among very many other book)
you read my mind, was just editing my previous comment when you sent this
Right. Especially the “shared cultural and political heritage” we had with Italy before 1776.
ITT a bunch of ripe misinformation targets.
Wait, so then did he say it or didn’t he?
He did not. He read of a prewritten speech tying the US to the cultural history of Italy. Pretty tame stuff
To be fair, Trump is quite very damn old.
It always boggles me how the hell he can even string a coherent sentence together
Can he?
By perseverance, eventually something coherent comes out.
It ain’t a world war until Italy changes sides
What Trump actually said, in his opening remarks during the press conference, was as follows: “The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”
Edit: Even after reading this quote twice, I can’t really understand what Trump wanted to say.
Wouldn’t it be funny if we found out the native Americans and Romans had a long standing friendship, much like them and the Vikings and that’s what he means.
Obviously he’s just dribbling shit he thinks sounds smart, but it would be kinda funny.
he’s talking about how fascists are obsessed with Rome and think they share white heritage or whatever
It may be false but it isn’t any better.
Edit: Even after reading this quote twice, I can’t really understand what Trump wanted to say.
Can anyone ever?
Imagine having to translate such nonsense.
The Olympics did it better
(More difficult than I imagined to find articles about it, there are plenty though from random sources)
It doesn’t matter if what he says makes sense or is true; if he says it confidently and double downs on it, people will be convinced (or be coerced to agree)
My take is that he sees himself as Julius Caesar reincarnate, overthrower of the Republic and the first emperor of the USA. If you read about the last days of the Republic there are so many historically rhyming events that with the current state of America, a repeat of history seems almost inevitable. A spate of military wins means Rome becomes very rich very quickly, disband rival military power which leads to pirates and banditry, widespread extremes of wealth and poverty, politicians riling the public up into a frenzy with populist talking points, using corrupt judiciary system to punish their political opponents, plebs forcing themselves in on senate discussions, Krassus was a mega oligarch banker who bankrolled politicians and held debts as favours to call on, the Bona Dea scandal, Clodius being unceremoniously taken to court for sneaking into a women-only festival, who is betrayed by another political rival Sicero only to then be equitted (jury was bribed), and the subsequent crossing of the Rubicon by Caesar, leading to insurrection, more political assassinations, and the fall of the Republic.
I would say he is as spiteful and vengeful as Clodius (and feels wronged in the same way he did by the court cases against him), is as ambitious as Caesar, has Musk as his Krassus-figure backing him, craves attention and celebration of himself like Pompey, and thinks he is as important and catalytic to political change as the Gracchus brothers were.
Trump aspires to be as awful and as “great” as the conniving ruling class of ancient Rome, because he us just as morally bankrupt as many of them.
However all of these observations seem at odds with the way he presents himself - seemingly senile, lexicon of a five-year-old, and lacks any of the charisma and knack for timing that the great orators of the Senate had. In comparison, Trump as an isolated figure is but a skidmark compared to the intellectual brilliance of the Roman elite.
He said what he wanted to say. He’s a fucking idiot that’s got progressive dementia.
I’d say it’s conservative dementia but I’m not a doctor.
America was founded on Roman ideals. I mean look at our capital building. Not only is it built in a Roman style there’s literally a mural of the founding fathers consulting with Roman gods.
He thinks he’s complimenting them by linking them to the Roman Empire. Also he’s probably completely forgotten that democracy was created by the Greeks.
And it’s from 2019. Why was this even posted?
So we can mentally prepare ourselves for Trump 2, the idiotening.
Alright, you might wanna sit down for this. Hate to be the one breaking it to you, buuut the Internet is not always a rational place…
Thank you, I was getting severe deja vu about that woman in the image
He means they’re both White countries.
Isn’t it some white nationalist shit about real whites being descendent of Rome?
We’re all the descendants of when Hercules impregnated every female trojan as part of his 13th labour. You can read all about it in my book “The Da Vinci Code: Die Harder”
I mean yeah, fascism.
So the thing he actually said is even dumber.
Weird,
Trump already says a bunch of stupid shit on his own.
Not sure why someone would make the OP and make shit up.
I think he meant culture and politics has been similar since the time of ancient Rome, maybe thinking the United States existed that long ago.
It did not.
To play the ultimate Devil’s Advocate, the Romans did leave a lasting cultural impact on Brittain. So in a way we have a cultural bloodline that is distantly connected to Rome.
Ridiculous, I suppose next you’ll say that the US government has a senate that meets in a columned building!
While you are correct, he deserves absolutely 0 benefit of the doubt
The American system is a direct descendant of Enlightenment Classicism, which includes a respect for the Classical Republics. Athens, Rome, Thebes, etc.
American federal government and arguably as a result liberalism is quite literally an imitation and attempt at modernization of the Roman Republic, which is, among other things, why we adopted the eagle as a national symbol and have a fasces in the House of Representatives.
You have a WHAT in the house of reps?! Like … on purpose?
Yeah, there’s a fasces there. Symbol of Rome. It’s been there since before Mussolini claims he invented fascism
Unlike the fasces adopted by the National Sheriff Association, which was adopted in the 1930’s, because ACAF.
This was what I thought. Legacy of Republic, Latin words, imperialism, the usual.
This devil has more than enough advocates. Don’t join them even for a bit.
Thanks for the fact checking. You’re doing God’s work.
He probably likes how the US is similar to the Roman Empire in being imperialist.
Imperialism I suppose.
I think he’s talking about the influence of Roman ideas on western culture.
No, don’t rationalize the crazy.
It doesn’t look like something that he wrote himself, and it does make sense. Wikipedia even has an article about it.
Trump says a lot of nonsense, but something isn’t nonsense just because Trump said it.
It’s diplomacy, what you don’t say is more important then what you do say.
There’s not a lot this man doesn’t say.
It’s white supremacy, he’s talking about whiteness.
Trump University, World History 101 and US History 101…
-101
This makes sense. How else could the US take over the British airports during the revolutionary war without our history with Rome?
All airports fly to Rome
Sonic The Hedgehog has been a beloved franchise since he 1960’s
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Well, the fasces is an ancient Roman symbol.
Where did Pechenegs and Cumans go? Oh, right, that was another Putin.
He’s fucking removed.
He’s fucking removed.
2024 and this guy is using “removed” as a slur and not being downvoted? Lame.
Assuming someone’s gender while virtue signaling?
”virtue signaling” lol hop offline and have an original thought, I beg of you
Just don’t have opinions when someone else might have a different one
(But only if you are being nice)
Stop external communication of internal perspectives you lefty!
Was it your idea the removed is a bad word?
Otherwise it’s not an original thought either
Very funny, I bet that argument works for other slurs too.
It’s not a nice word but it doesn’t rise to the slur tier
That raises an interesting question of what point does an unkind word toward a group of people become a slur?
2024 and this guy is using “lame” as a slur and being downvoted by ponies. As expected.
How do you know that he doesn’t mean it in the medical sense? Would fit, too
Did u just ableistize
You can’t say “lame”, six or seven people associate it with disabilities so it’s offensive
(JK, “removed” is dumb to say though cuz it’s like 60 or 70 percent of people who associate it with disabilities)
Yeah that’s my tangent, my 2024 guide for being a normal human:
- removed bad
- lame reclaimed (or unlikely to remind 98% of people of handicaps)
Open to other opinions!
A while ago, I lived in a house with back steps that were not built in accord with safety regulations. My then dog (goddamn was she the best, smelliest dog ever) fell off the side and hurt her leg. It was late at night, so we took her to an emergency vet, where they did see and help her; but while we were in the waiting room, we saw a sign saying “lame dogs will be seen last.” I still don’t understand how they determined which dogs were cool.
Anyway, years later, I fell off the front porch, which also wasn’t up to spec. I broke my ankle and it healed improperly. Guess I’m the lame one now.
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Sorry about you & your doggie. Dude it healed wrong?! That SUCKS! Why would it do that, dumb ankle. How bad is it? You coping OK?
**[1] this is where “LOL” was gonna go since the cool dog story was funny but needed to move the latter feelings first
Thank you for your response and empathy. I’ve actually mentioned it several times in my post history, so I apologize in advance to any future lemmings who care to review my comments. That said:
It’s bad. I can’t comfortably shower or check my mail. However, it could be worse. I can still stand and walk and, if I’m willing to endure the discomfort, go through fairly normal tasks like the above. I have gained a lot of weight since it happened and my body is an embarrassment, but oh well.
I’m coping. It’s been almost three years. I don’t really have any choice; I can largely function like a normal person, it just hurts, but it’s not impossible. Thank you for asking, it’s very kind of you.
I do miss my dog. She was a good dog.
edit: I appreciate your use of footnotes.
Unbelievable your house would turn against you two like that :(
Sorry to hear about the pain and all. Well sounds like we agree - onward, friend! 💪
Your attitude and, I have to assume, approach to life are admirable. Hopefully you can conquer whatever challenge you face next and enjoy doing so.
edit: is/are
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Anyone have the clip?
Please, I need this
Edit: Did it myself, so he did say it, but the translator face was a different incident
Ancient rome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgnBODcB-I
Funny translator face: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nSlWu0ICI
Why would anyone think he came up with that? He was quite obviously just reading a speech someone else wrote.