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  • KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml
    11·
    2 years ago

    Man discourse on some parts of the right atm is absolutely wild. They’re genuinely seeing themselves as principled anti-war activists in a long right-wing anti-war tradition.

      • Inbrededcanadian@lemmygrad.ml
        3·
        2 years ago

        To them it’s “humanitary” interventionism, they believe whatever they want to believe to make themselves look like the good guys.

      • KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml
        2·
        2 years ago

        The guys I’m talking about seem to see themselves as different from “neocons”, which they correctly identify as warhawks. They see themselves opposing those factions of the right which pushed for those wars (at least for the moment). Idk if they’d call themselves that, but to me they kinda sound like some mythical “classical conservative” - conservative conservatives if you want.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Hghw2gIPE

        Watch from about minute 52:00. Absolutely fascinating watching these guys wrestle with the contradictions in capitalism and imperialism of which they are kinda aware of, but that they can’t really reconcile with their current framework.

        • xanthespark@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          2 years ago

          This livestream was wild. I only watched 20 mins after the 52:00 mark but these guys will describe the bourgeoisie perfectly, recognize the difference in how this “elite” group acts versus what the average American/“Western citizen” supports and then just… shit on Marxists.

          Also at one point one of them mentions the “socialist/Marxist” perception of Americans as warmongerers is incorrect because most Americans aren’t fervent supporters of war (which wasn’t at all the case for the war in Iraq, which 73% of Americans supported, but whatever) and like, even if this were true, my perception is that most Americans would oppose a war ideologically until they saw the material consequences of that (i.e. decline in their quality of life and/or scarcity of consumer goods).