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minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up15arrow-down3·1 month agoSure seems like they’re winning.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down10·1 month agoThey’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
minus-squarejol@discuss.tchncs.delinkfedilinkarrow-up8·1 month agoHm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
minus-squareCyberMonkey404linkfedilinkarrow-up5·1 month agoReasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
minus-squarehubobes@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkarrow-up8arrow-down6·1 month agoPreventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down6·1 month ago…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·1 month agoWho guarantees that they get peace in return?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4arrow-down5·1 month agoNo one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
minus-squarecatloaf@lemm.eelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down2·1 month agoThat’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down4·1 month agoI understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down5·1 month agoWhy? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
minus-squareB0rax@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up4arrow-down3·1 month agoLet’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.workslinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·1 month agoLet’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
minus-squaremagikmw@lemm.eelinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down5·1 month agoYou give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down7·1 month agoBeing under russian occupation.
minus-squaredavelAlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up11arrow-down1·1 month agoI’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.
minus-squareMarxMadness@lemmygrad.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up9·1 month agoThe worst would be getting a bunch more people killed and then still losing
Sure seems like they’re winning.
They’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
Which would be?
Hm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
Reasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
Who guarantees that they get peace in return?
No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
I understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
Why? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
Let’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
Let’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
Being under russian occupation.
I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.
The worst would be getting a bunch more people killed and then still losing