Interesting perspective. You say the help of the west is only prolonging the suffering of Ukraine.
However, now that Russia is retreating from the north of Ukraine, we are withnessin what they are doing to the resisting Ukrainian people (which did not receive any help from the west, as they have been under Russian control from the beginning).
So for me it is also clear that a lot of ukrainings will die/suffer if Russia conquered the whole of Ukraine.
So I guess the only chance of avoiding suffering is for Russia to stop fighting altogether and going back to Russia. How do you think this could be reached?
Russia isn’t retreating from anywhere. They pinned a chunk of Ukrainian army around Kiev which allowed them to surround the main force in Donbas. Now that the main army is surrounded they no longer need to keep troops around Kiev, and so they’re redeploying them to help the main force.
The whole notion that they were going to take Kiev is absurd when you look at the numbers of troops. It required around 40k troops to take Mariupol which is a tenth of the size of Kiev. It’s pretty clear that 40k troops Russia deployed around Kiev were in no position to take the city.
It’s also not at all clear who is responsible for the attacks on the civilians. For example, the fact that the attack in Kramatorsk was from a Tochka-U rocket that’s used by Ukraine, but was decommissioned by Russia back in 2019, strongly suggests that the attack came from Ukrainian forces. There need to be independent investigations into these incidents, however UK weirdly blocked the UN meeting to run these investigations.
Russian demands have been clear from the start and haven’t changed. The entire war could’ve been avoided if Ukraine formally agreed to remain neutral and to implement Minsk protocol which it signed.
One of Russia’s main stated goals for the invasion were to demilitarize Ukraine. This is well under way with Ukrainian military production capacity having been destroyed. Without capacity to produce ammo and weapons or to repair current inventory, Ukrainian army is not going to be able to continue fighting much longer.
Once the army is defeated then Russia will be able to dictate its terms to Ukraine. These terms will continue to get worse as Ukraine’s position continues to become ever more untenable. So, again, the longer this drags on the worse things will be for Ukraine. People of Ukraine gain absolutely nothing from this conflict.
The claim about Ukrainian military production capacity having been destroyed comes from Ukraine. And last I checked Russian ships haven’t moved out of range of the neptune missiles that Ukraine supposedly used.
Also, imagine thinking that Russian military uses unencrypted phone calls to communicate. It’s absolutely surreal that people don’t realize there’s a propaganda war going on along with an actual war and just uncritically swallow everything they see in the media. There have been lots of examples of Ukraine making things up, like claiming that the troops on the snake island were killed when they were captured, or claiming that Moskva’s captain was killed when he miraculously appeared at the ceremony a few days later.
The reality is that Russia lies, Ukraine lies, the west lies. Everyone is doing propaganda right now.
Interesting perspective. You say the help of the west is only prolonging the suffering of Ukraine.
However, now that Russia is retreating from the north of Ukraine, we are withnessin what they are doing to the resisting Ukrainian people (which did not receive any help from the west, as they have been under Russian control from the beginning).
So for me it is also clear that a lot of ukrainings will die/suffer if Russia conquered the whole of Ukraine.
So I guess the only chance of avoiding suffering is for Russia to stop fighting altogether and going back to Russia. How do you think this could be reached?
Russia isn’t retreating from anywhere. They pinned a chunk of Ukrainian army around Kiev which allowed them to surround the main force in Donbas. Now that the main army is surrounded they no longer need to keep troops around Kiev, and so they’re redeploying them to help the main force.
The whole notion that they were going to take Kiev is absurd when you look at the numbers of troops. It required around 40k troops to take Mariupol which is a tenth of the size of Kiev. It’s pretty clear that 40k troops Russia deployed around Kiev were in no position to take the city.
It’s also not at all clear who is responsible for the attacks on the civilians. For example, the fact that the attack in Kramatorsk was from a Tochka-U rocket that’s used by Ukraine, but was decommissioned by Russia back in 2019, strongly suggests that the attack came from Ukrainian forces. There need to be independent investigations into these incidents, however UK weirdly blocked the UN meeting to run these investigations.
Russian demands have been clear from the start and haven’t changed. The entire war could’ve been avoided if Ukraine formally agreed to remain neutral and to implement Minsk protocol which it signed.
One of Russia’s main stated goals for the invasion were to demilitarize Ukraine. This is well under way with Ukrainian military production capacity having been destroyed. Without capacity to produce ammo and weapons or to repair current inventory, Ukrainian army is not going to be able to continue fighting much longer.
Once the army is defeated then Russia will be able to dictate its terms to Ukraine. These terms will continue to get worse as Ukraine’s position continues to become ever more untenable. So, again, the longer this drags on the worse things will be for Ukraine. People of Ukraine gain absolutely nothing from this conflict.
Russia also claimed that Ukraine didn’t sink the Moskva, yet they still pulled their ships away from the coastline.
At the beginning Russia claimed they were just holding exercises, now it’s a “special military operation”.
Russia claims it wasn’t targeting civilians, but we have thousands of pictures and a couple intercepted phone calls that say otherwise.
The claim about Ukrainian military production capacity having been destroyed comes from Ukraine. And last I checked Russian ships haven’t moved out of range of the neptune missiles that Ukraine supposedly used.
Also, imagine thinking that Russian military uses unencrypted phone calls to communicate. It’s absolutely surreal that people don’t realize there’s a propaganda war going on along with an actual war and just uncritically swallow everything they see in the media. There have been lots of examples of Ukraine making things up, like claiming that the troops on the snake island were killed when they were captured, or claiming that Moskva’s captain was killed when he miraculously appeared at the ceremony a few days later.
The reality is that Russia lies, Ukraine lies, the west lies. Everyone is doing propaganda right now.
Like this?
“But that’s not proof!”
“Well that’s just Ukrainians disgused as Russians”
“Those Russians are a rogue group, not the real Russian Army!”
Because Ukrainians haven’t lied at all during the war. Snake island totally happened. Please send me a DM cause I have a bridge to sell you.