cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22743061
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Too bad the ICC lost all credibility when it let itself be used by the West as an anti-Russia political weapon to level absurd charges at Putin et al. I mean this verdict wouldn’t have had any teeth either way because the US would never allow it to be enforced, but still it would have sent a message. As it is now no one takes them seriously anymore, and especially not when they “both sides” a literal genocide by going after resistance leaders too.
As it is now no one takes them seriously anymore
Leftists don’t take them seriously, but libs do. And that’s all this is good for: chipping away at liberal support, radicalizing a few of them, and gradually shifting the mainstream narrative on Israel closer to reality.
It always was just a tool of imperialism. The court only judged Africans and Slavs so far. That’s why I was so surprised that they’d charge an ally of the US.
Oh let’s put all our faith in liberal institutions again. I thought we were past this. Read fanon, literally just the first chapter. Actually just read the title of the first chapter of wretched of the earth.
Well it’s just another liberal hypocrisy laid bare. Liberals have been clamoring for countries to arrest Putin (Mongolia being the most recent one), but I imagine they will be silent on Netanyahu. Now EU countries must choose either to honour the ICC warrant or not in the case of Netanyahu’s visit. If they don’t, lots of people are going to be asking wtf? since EU was adamant about prosecuting war criminals from the Yugoslav civil war. They even set it as a prerequisite for Croatia to join the EU (that everyone charged by ICC be brought to court).
It will be a nail in the coffin of the “rules-based” order.
Correct. But the liberal order should have been dead long ago. The UN literally participated in the assassination of lemumba in 1961. We are stuck in time. We need to fast forward.
EU was adamant about prosecuting war criminals from the Yugoslav civil war
Wait, EU wanted to prosecute Javier Solana?
In the better timeline maybe.
I agree, none of us are putting faith in it though or at least I think. Sometimes it is just to share developments in the wider world.
The use of developments like this is to make liberal excuses for supporting genocide less and less tenable. Like public opinion on the Iraq War, there is a point where even the mainstream lib opinion will turn against it. For some libs the combination of this and the continued full-throttle support of the U.S. will be a radicalizing moment.
An immediately attainable goal is making Israel a pariah state and making open support for it taboo. There’s at least the possibility this will eventually affect the reality of the war, the way making South Africa a pariah state eventually affected the reality of apartheid.
Good point. People gotta remember that there are (at least) two main types of liberals: liberals who consciously believe in an unequal world and exploit the charity model as an answer to suffering in order to keep elite rule intact, and liberals who genuinely believe the “love wins” type of messaging they go for and whose main obstacle is being ignorant of history rather than wanting to excuse or downplay suffering and what brings it about. The 1st one uses an aesthetic of the 2nd for cover, but when the mask slips, the liberals who belong to the 2nd group are going to start questioning.
Mind you, I’m not saying the reality is exactly as binary as two groups like that. It’s probably more of a sliding scale. But trying to get at the difference between the two and where you can have an in to get through to people. Also, any liberals who more fit the 2nd who actually manage to get some kind of institutional power may act in sincerely reformist ways, even if they lack the context to go all the way with it.
Fair enough. My apologies.
Took them more than a year of genocide to do this. And why only Netanyahu and Gallant? There are so many other Israeli leaders who should also have arrest warrants out for them. Wonder if this will set a precedent for doing this to other western leaders? Probably not though
No way, I can’t believe it.
Netanyahu was Goofus this whole time?
