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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22743061
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[Bias alert - NYT usually favors Israel]
I agree, none of us are putting faith in it though or at least I think. Sometimes it is just to share developments in the wider world.
The use of developments like this is to make liberal excuses for supporting genocide less and less tenable. Like public opinion on the Iraq War, there is a point where even the mainstream lib opinion will turn against it. For some libs the combination of this and the continued full-throttle support of the U.S. will be a radicalizing moment.
An immediately attainable goal is making Israel a pariah state and making open support for it taboo. There’s at least the possibility this will eventually affect the reality of the war, the way making South Africa a pariah state eventually affected the reality of apartheid.
Good point. People gotta remember that there are (at least) two main types of liberals: liberals who consciously believe in an unequal world and exploit the charity model as an answer to suffering in order to keep elite rule intact, and liberals who genuinely believe the “love wins” type of messaging they go for and whose main obstacle is being ignorant of history rather than wanting to excuse or downplay suffering and what brings it about. The 1st one uses an aesthetic of the 2nd for cover, but when the mask slips, the liberals who belong to the 2nd group are going to start questioning.
Mind you, I’m not saying the reality is exactly as binary as two groups like that. It’s probably more of a sliding scale. But trying to get at the difference between the two and where you can have an in to get through to people. Also, any liberals who more fit the 2nd who actually manage to get some kind of institutional power may act in sincerely reformist ways, even if they lack the context to go all the way with it.
Fair enough. My apologies.