cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22077561
“I’m not interested in anyone who is moving further away from the center,” said Cindy Bass, a Pennsylvania committee member from Philadelphia. “The center is where we have to be.”
They’re not going to change a thing unless people make them.
Find your local state delegate and personally tell them how you feel a centrist is only going to guarantee another Republican victory. They are listed here: https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_National_Committee
Bernie Sanders is working behind the scenes to get a progressive in there but he can’t do it alone.
Is abolishing the DNC an option? Otherwise, we’re wasting valuable time.
I remain convinced that any effective resistance to Trump and MAGA will have to come from outside the Democratic Party.
I’m sure that the same people who couldn’t deliver Bernie Sanders an overwhelming win in 2020 can suddenly become savvy pols who can just put together a national third party.
If you want action, do what AOC and the others in her squad did. Work inside the Dem party.
Take a lesson from the right. Back in the 1970s Jerry Falwell decided to take control of the GOP. He did it from the ground up. If the local GOP club had had twenty people show up to the last meeting to pick the next county clerk, Falwell’s people would show up with fifty people. Soon those county clerks and sheriffs were becoming Congresspeople and Senators.
Politics is a game and the left sucks at playing it.
I really wish they would put out a survey for voters. Some way to collect data about what people actually want. Like a huge survey, let every registered dem fill it out.
If they’re talking about running some bland business-as-usual candidate then that’ll lose. People want change.
Based on their track record I have no faith in progress.
So, to solve the problem of the left not voting them, they are moving further to the right.
Yeah, America, I’m sorry to tell you but you are screwed. You have 4 years to either behead the dnc and turn it into a left wing party, or greate an actual left party.
Otherwise, you’re going to be eating fascism fo dinner until you implode.
The Left keeps not voting in hopes the Dems will come to them.
It’s not going to work next time either.
So, to solve the problem of the left not voting them, they are moving further to the right.
I humbly disagree. This seems to be an overly simplified view.
The origins of “the far left” (as I understood it) was basically promoting heavy government involvement. For example, breaking up monopolies, many government subsidied programs for it’s people, which in turn needs higher taxes for it people (so the rich get taxed more, the poor get taxed less).
The origins of “the far right” was the polar opposite. No government involvement. Companies will do “what’s right” in order to compete for profit, less tax on it people, as there are fewer government processes/programs (because people have more personal wealth and can afford the programs that are relevant for them).
“the center” was in the middle of these two extremes. The understanding is that there needs to be some government involvement to prevent companies from going unchecked, not all people have equal chances in life resulting in some people needing more/less government assistance, ect. Yet, also acknowledging that the Stalin form of socialism fights against the basic human desire to “work to make their lives better” and companies (when left to their own devices) cannot be absolutely trusted to do “what’s right” for society.
The problem with the DNC and the 2024 election is that the media has perverted what “the far left” aka Democrats and “the far right” aka Republicans (and this has been going on for years).
Based on your line of “left vs right”, I’d argue that the Republican party is “close to” my definition of “the far right” (fascism aside). Yet, the Democratic Party is actually closer to “the far right” than they are “the far left”. I’d even go so far as to say, that the Democratic Party is far “right of center”.
So, yeah, I totally support moving the DNC towards the center, because it’ll (finally) make the Democratic Party closer to their “far left” ideals.
The origins of “the far left” (as I understood it) was basically promoting heavy government involvement. For example, breaking up monopolies, many government subsidied programs for it’s people, which in turn needs higher taxes for it people (so the rich get taxed more, the poor get taxed less).
People on the far left were actually interested in expropriation of private property and a more egalitarian distribution of those resources and decisionmaking. They also wanted actual democracy (as in power to the people) rather than Democracy™ where it’s only for a handful of the population who aren’t getting actively disenfranchised.
If you nationalize industries you get to use the profits directly, rather than messing around with taxes after the fact.
Remember when they picked Tom Perez, the croaking geezer, over Kieth Ellison. Your voice won’t be heard because that’s not who they’re listening for.
I love how they think the best way forward is to become the embodiment of the election strategy that just failed so spectacularly for Harris. Brilliant.
2016: “We don’t need to change! Look at our opponent, Trump!”
2020: “We’ll pretend to be M4A. But the main thing is beating Trump! Worry about change later!”
2024: “We lost, but we did everything right. Americans are the problem. Anyways, Trump is in his last term, so why change?”
Then make sure to tell the people actually voting for the chair to give the pushback they need to see that’s a mistake. Change is only going to come when we speak up
Centrist Democrats are revolting.
As they begin to dissect their collapse in the presidential election, some Democratic National Committee members are concluding that the party is too “woke,” too focused on identity politics and too out of touch with broad stretches of America.
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Or as one DNC member from Florida put it: “I don’t want to be the freak show party, like they have branded us. You know, when you’re a mom with three kids, and you live in middle America and you’re just not really into politics, and you see these ads that scare the bejesus out of you, you’re like, ‘I know Trump’s weird or whatever, but I would rather his weirdness that doesn’t affect my kids.’”
Aka the libs want to turn on trans people.
Aka the libs want to turn on trans people.
The DNC aren’t liberals. They’re center-right.
Point me to a moment during the last campaign that Kamala promoted identity politics. The very most important thing we should do is to nit listen to pundits.
Point me to a moment during the last campaign that Kamala promoted identity politics.
They can’t. But the alternative is admitting that moving to the right has failed, and centrists will never do that.
Middle America is about 20y behind the rest of us, this is the 90s gay marriage situation all over again. If the DNC actually wants to win elections they need to stop putting narrow identity groups front and center and run on their track record of positive economic policy for everyone or they’re going to lose every election for the next 20y (barring those won by voter backlash over catastrophic Republican admin fuck-ups.)
The DNC went too far down the identity politics rabbit hole and hasn’t quite realized that people in the identity demographics they want to Jenga together into 270 EC votes are willing to vote for the other side because they’re not happy with the DNC’s corporate profit economy.
The critical flaw in the DNC’s 20y old identity politics strategy is the assumption that these identity groups are monolithic. It’s a prejudiced as hell position to take that “these are the interests of all women” or “these are the interests of all black people” and yet that’s what the DNC has tried to do for the last three elections running. It should be painfully obvious at this point that this doesn’t work: women, PoC and Muslims voted for Trump in droves (or stayed home in protest) despite the front and center spending to bring those groups on side this election. Everyone’s tired of performative pandering and wants real economic and policy reform to help recover some of what was lost to the last couple of economic crashes and to inflation.
The meme is already stale but JFC they’ve learned nothing from the last two election losses - the Harris campaign was the 2016 Clinton campaign minus the fundraising dinners on Wall St.
Middle America is about 20y behind the rest of us, this is the 90s gay marriage situation all over again. If the DNC actually wants to win elections they need to stop putting narrow identity groups front and center
The RNC did that. Democratic candidates, in their trademark panicked cowardice, parroted right wing bigotry about boys in girls’ sports in their own campaign ads.
Most of the time, when Democrats mentioned trans people at all, they were making sure to let everyone know that they didn’t have their backs. Add that to breaking solidarity with Muslim voters, and you have a party that broadcasted that it was eager to throw vulnerable populations under the bus.
The conservative media machine has been splitting wedges between groups basically forever, it’s a convenient way to pit people against each other.
The DNC, in their infinite wisdom, took that political landscape and instead of bringing everyone together in a big tent decided to pick out specific identity groups to pander to and drove the original wedges clean through.
I’m almost convinced the DNC wants to lose at this point, they seem pretty content with the position of professional minority opposition - it’s a convenient place to be if you want to fundraise endlessly.
Hear fucking hear.
It’s ridiculous that these things even need to be pointed out. The DNC is packed full of highly educated high income people who have no fucking idea what the average person’s life is like and it shows in their priorities.
They need to drop their focus on identity pandering and neoliberal corporate blood sucking if they want any hope in hell of an EC win. All the slick consultants in the world won’t convince middle America to vote for more business as usual.
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Surely no one here that y’all branded as tankies told you so.
Tankies will turn around and tell you Russia and China are something positive.
Best not to listen to broken clocks.
Lol
Please spread, cross post, share, whatever; wherever you can. People should have input into the democratic policy platform, but they’re so brazen as to say the “center is where we need to be”.
These people, these few hundred people, are a big problem with the democratic party.
We need to take the narrative back from centrists. It can be done by telling the DNC what to do, not the other way around.
Does the article tell us how to cast a vote? I skimmed it and couldn’t find a link to where I could at least send an email.
It’s not voted on directly, you are going to want to talk to your state’s party chair to try to convince them vote on the type of chair like you would a congress person on a vote for something. In the body of the post, you can find how to find your state’s party chair
Here’s the table copied over:
State Chair | State Chair Alabama Randy Kelley | Montana Robyn Driscoll Alaska Mike Wenstrup | Nebraska Jane Kleeb American Samoa Patrick Ti’a Reid[15] | Nevada Daniele Monroe-Moreno Arizona Yolanda Bejarano | New Hampshire Raymond Buckley Arkansas Grant Tennille | New Jersey LeRoy J. Jones, Jr. California Rusty Hicks | New Mexico Jessica Velasquez Colorado Shad Murib | New York Jay Jacobs Connecticut Nancy DiNardo | North Carolina Anderson Clayton Delaware Elizabeth D. Maron | North Dakota Adam Goldwyn District of Columbia Charles Wilson | Ohio Liz Walters Florida Nikki Fried | Oklahoma Alicia Andrews Georgia Nikema Williams | Oregon Rosa Colquitt Guam Anthony Babauta[16] | Pennsylvania Sharif Street Hawaii Derek Turbin | Puerto Rico Charles Rodriguez Idaho Lauren Necochea[17] | Rhode Island Liz Beretta-Perik Illinois Elizabeth Hernandez | South Carolina Christale Spain Indiana Mike Schmuhl | South Dakota Shane Merrill Iowa Rita Hart | Tennessee Hendrell Remus Kansas Jeanna Repass | Texas Gilberto Hinojosa Kentucky Colmon Elridge | U.S. Virgin Islands Carol M. Burke[18] Louisiana Randal Gaines | Utah Diane Lewis Maine Bev Uhlenhake | Vermont David Glidden Maryland Ken Ulman | Virginia Susan Swecker Massachusetts Steve Kerrigan | Washington Shasti Conrad Michigan Lavora Barnes | West Virginia Mike Pushkin Minnesota Ken Martin | Wisconsin Ben Wikler Mississippi Cheikh Taylor | Wyoming Joe Barbuto Missouri Russ Carnahan | Democrats Abroad Martha McDevitt-Pugh Texas’ Hinojosa, when asked about Democrats’ willingness to stand for trans rights, said the only part out loud: “I think what the Democratic Party has to realize is that there’s some things that we can support and some things that we cannot. And when we’re pressed upon to take votes of these kinds that we need to be cognizant of the long term consequences of these kinds of votes.”
He has since announced that he will be resigning effective March 2025, which is after the party elects a new chair. He has no incentive to listen. Not that he ever did. At least he’s leaving. Good fucking riddance. It’s a shame it didn’t happen years ago, but he will not stand with trans people, and he absolutely will not move to the left under any circumstances.
I’m still going to do my bit and contact his office, but I harbor no illusions about him. What other avenues do Texans have?
Can’t find a way to contact CA guy, only a way to give him $
chair@cadem.org or also rusty@cadem.org seemed to be listed on various California Democratic Party documents for him
If anyone else is having any issues finding the contact emails, reply to me with a state and I can try to help you find it!
It’s not like that boat will be tallied or even looked at, If you don’t have millions of bucks to give them, you don’t have a voice in government.
If we don’t have a state delegate should we just pick the closest state?
So uh, why is there an NY representative in the CA seat again? So much for local representation I guess.
That’s funny that you believe that your voice will be heard if you’re not amongst the donor class. They only answered the money, something none of us have.
The DNC can lick and tease my disgusting Perinium.
That’s not a constructive approach. Doing nothing just means Republicans completely disasemble what remains of democracy in the US.
We need a new party that isn’t the Green Party. The Progressive party. Anyone left of center.
Why not just orchestrate a takeover of the Green Party? Then extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running.
Of course, this would mean that Democrats care about winning instead of donations.
If you do that, you will just split the vote, giving Republicans another win. I’m not sure if your democracy will survive thus term, but another… forget it.
If Democrats are so damned serious about making sure Republicans don’t win, THEY can stay out of the race.
