It’s not trump that bothers me, it’s who will grab the machinery the he’s set up that keeps me awake at night.
And because of that, every election from now on will be about voting against a full-blown fascist dictator while any talk of progress becomes taboo for the sake of winning over centrists.
We could have had Bernie in 2016
You would have had Trump in 2016, but then again, it’d be over now. Unless he would’ve actually destroyed democracy.
Bernie was never going to happen ever. Even the democrats didn’t want him.
The Democrats, as in the democratic voters, did want him. The DNC was willing to let trump win to avoid a Democratic Socialist from becoming president.
Absolutely.
That became painfully apparent in 2019 when Bernie won the first three primaries and the party rallied around the fifth least-popular candidate: Joe Biden, only slightly more popular than Mike Bloomberg.
And they handed out favors to the others in order to drop out and endorse this shitty man who did nothing meaningful to stop fascism, thereby making Trump’s fascist candidacy inevitable.
I have at least one friend who won’t vote anymore because of that. He’d rather the US get Trump and despair than give the DNC the satisfaction of another vote. I’ve tried to convince him.
I fully understand the hopelessness. I don’t think anyone but billionaires have meaningful power to make change in this country anymore.
TBH, I voted Biden four years ago with zero belief that he’d do anything meaningful to make the lives of the working class and poor any easier, and for the most part, that’s how it turned out. The major departure from that, as far as I’ve seen, is the hundred of thousands who’ve had their student loans forgiven, and I know someone personally who had $200,000 in debt wiped out. That’s huge. Absolutely huge.
The problem is, apart from that, it’s hard to see where Biden didn’t capitulate or cut himself off at the knees to satisfy the same Republicans who painted him as their enemy. We got a Build Back Better bill that was a shell of what it should have been. We got a “gun control” bill that only allocated money to the states without any requirements to regulate guns. We got an Inflation Reduction Act that doesn’t do anything to control inflation. We got US-backed genocide in Israel and a blank check for war in Ukraine.
Therefore, even with the modest achievements (if you can call them that) the vast majority of the votes Democrats need are coming from people whose lives are much harder now than they were four years ago.
I voted Biden solely because I thought a cultural win against fascism would turn the tide.
It didn’t. No one we elected had the balls to confront or punish Donald Trump, and now, we have a fascist state in all but name. I’m not uncertain that we won’t have a full fascist state in the coming year.
I did vote, though, for what it’s worth. My state, Missouri, has lots of state initiatives that are very progressive, like voting down the abortion ban and voting in a $15 minimum wage, among other things.
There’s a lot of caveats to that.
First, that was absolutely the plan when they started shifting the Overton window in the 1980s. They didn’t realize how important good faith is to democracy, and it’s gotten more out of hand than they intended. Now you’ve got Dick Cheney, Rex Tillerson, and other 80s Republicans trying to rein it in.
Second, compromise goes both ways. Our agenda doesn’t have to go out of the window. The neolibs will give the kids free school lunches to help defeat fascism. This doesn’t mean that we try to jerk the Overton window so far the other way that it breaks and we lose to fascists. We can both compromise in good faith.
Third, those Republicans always think results are instant. Fire employees and if things don’t break in a month, then they were clearly right! And when things go to shit in two years, well, there must be another reason. Don’t make the same mistake with progressive changes. We need more than a 50/50 senate split with West Virginia included to be able to make big changes. Results aren’t instant, and don’t give up when they’re not.
The thing that really sucks is that to a lot of voters, results are instant. Every time the price of anything goes up, it’s the current presidents fault. Seen all those “I Did That!” Stickers idiots put on gas pumps? It makes no sense when you’re talking on an economic scale for things to suddenly shift overnight, or even in 2-4 years. But a huge bump in inflation from companies trying to capitalize on economic changes through covid? Ope, bidens fault.
There are so many political schemes that take advantage of the “right now” results, even if those results are from years of changes and slow effect activity. I wish I could get people to see that not every little thing that happens is because someone in govt went to the “magic number machine” and moved the sliders up or down that morning.
And in red states which have abandoned workers, Chuck Schumer always campaigns for the pro-trump Democrat instead of the candidate with the energy behind them. Gotta lose all the fucking dinosaurs that keep causing losses.
Fascism can never be voted out. I’ve been telling social media how to deal with this and they have been banning my accounts and calling me a violent loon for the past eight years but hey look here we are
Until you end up having to vote between 2 fascists, because the genie is out of the bottle.
-> You are here
Not even close.
Run for local office. Petition your local leaders.
Yeah I am worried more about the precedent and ‘momentum’ this creates more than Trump himself.
Everyone knows this already.
His supporters just want it to happen.
Actually a lot of them don’t. It’s weird but a lot of polling has found that a big chunk of Trump supporters somehow believe that all the outrageous things Trump says are somehow just for show, or are sarcasm, or just a joke. I’m not talking about the maga hat, rally goers, but the more average Trump voter who says “the economy” is their top voting issue.
Trump couldn’t win a national election with just maga. Somehow getting the more normal Trump voters to believe he might actually do what he likes to talk about doing, might really help.
Just had a long conversation with a trumpist yesterday. He genuinely believed trump only did good things in his first term, lile lover taxes and drain the swamp. Could not make him believe trump praised dictators and had done a bad deal or mismanaged anything
That’s probably because a lot of it is bluster. It’s so he gets attention.
The problem is all the other more insidious things his fellows will do while he’s making the huge fuss about nothing.
Most of the Trump supporters I know (not full on MAGA but evangelical) assume the media is taking quotes out of context and are more worried about the Democrats ruining the economy and destroying the country’s Christian roots than anything Trump does. I don’t think they explicitly support violence, but they also don’t realize how violent the things they do support are and once they do I don’t think they’ll care since at least it’s their religion doing it.
If it’s any consolation, they won’t be able to afford Truck Nuts or power tools when the tariffs hit. Real Leopards Ate My Face moment when they all realize Milwaukee is a Chinese company and a corded Sawzall suddenly costs 900 bucks. 600 bucks a battery lol
It will be the dems’ fault, according to them. You just wait and see. The more you punish the uneducated, the more they love you.
Respectfully, that’s literal defeatism, and it’s also not true. Everyone knows who Trump is, that’s correct. But not everyone knows what his “policies” are or what he intends to do. That information is simply not reaching undecided voters, which is why it’s so infuriating contrasting Harris’ plans to improve the lives of everyone vs Trump’s Project 2024 revenge tour.
We all need to talk about the exciting things Harris/Walz want to do as well as the existential threat to our democracy Trump’s schemes represent.
Maybe the NYT should believe in commas.
It is meant to be a visual onslaught. It’s essentially an artistic-editorial choice and I think it works in this format and situation.
you could argue the change in color indicates it’s a bulleted list
The people with a bit of reading comprehension can figure it out
The people without are voting for the orange chimpanzee anyway
The people who are voting for Trump are the only ones that need to read it
And they’d ignore it or say fAke nooooos
Great strategy
For real…
Sure, NYT. Do the right thing now after years of excusing, ignoring, being an apologist for it.
This is significant because the orange-bad once took out a full page ad calling for the death penalty for teens wrongly accused of murder. He has never apologized, to my knowledge.
He has never once apologized while not under duress.
This shook me to my core, but he actually used the words “I’m so sorry” just the other day. He was late to his rally in Michigan after recording Joe Rogan’s podcast. I had never seen him say that before and it actually made me look it up because I didn’t believe it. Honestly so discouraging that I have trouble believing that, but no problem believing he praised Hitler again.
As taught by mentor Roy Cohn.
He never apologizes for anything because in his mind he’s perfect, and whenever he gets in trouble it’s because someone else messed up or is out to get him. He’s incredibly disfunctional and enabled.
Everybody believes him. His cunt supporters are voting for him explicitly because of that shit.
NYT is just afraid of losing subscribers like WaPo, so they decided to pay lip service, after months, nay years, of sane washing anything trump does.
It’s notable that this is from the opinion section.
The people who follow him think that he’ll be on their side, he hates them too.
They probably know he hates them. They still follow him anyway. Sometimes the more they’re abused the more they like it— they’ve basically consented to it anyway. (You’ve heard of BDSM culture, this is an unsexy version of it)
Lol
Be gay, do crimes
Didn’t voting already start? Feel like they should have put this out earlier, although I don’t know how many people down south vote early.
Believe people when they tell you what they really are.
Can’t decide whether they think this a good or bad thing.
Fuck the goddamn NYT for waiting all the way up until now to start looking at him objectively.
Better late than never.
