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literally the easiest election ever for the democrats, and they will still lose to fucking low energy trump lol
Liberal media don’t want you to know this one trick that keeps them all in business…
If Kamala Harris loses to Trump, will it be more or less embarrassing than Hill-dawg’s loss? Probably has to be worse, right?
no. Hillary faceplanting was embarrassing because of how unexpected it was; it’s understood that Kamala very well may lose, there’s just no way it can be embarrassing to the same degree.
having a ceiling of balloons ready to drop down for her supposedly imminent victory and those balloons never dropping was quite a moment.
I say worse absolutely. Trump is at like 10% power. He is a dry dry boy these days
Dang it’s almost like she was bottom-tier in the 2020 primaries for a fucking reason.
Its been the democrats election to lose since swapping Joe out for Kamala, and i’ll be damned if it doesn’t look like they’re trying.
I don’t know if I’m online too much, and I’m definitely not smart enough to put things together, but it seems like these next few years will determine the next few decades and neither Trump nor Kamala wants to deal with that. To elaborate, war is on the horizon, the targets are China, DPRK, Iran, and Russia, and the events are already being set in motion. The wars will be both cumbersome, expensive, and potentially unpopular and blame and vitrol will be on whoever wins this next election. So with that said, neither party really wants to win nor deal with whatever turmoil comes from these upcoming conflicts. If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
My timelime might be off though.
If Democrats want to keep the very little bit of legitimacy they have, they’d lose the next election , blame Trump for the wars and economic downfalls, and pick up whatever is left in 4-8 years.
I’ve seen some people float this idea. The Democrats are throwing this election so they can get Gruesome Newsome to the White House in 2028.
I think both of them REALLY want to be president, Kamala for the sheer prestige of it and for being the first black women to do it, and Trump at this point as a personal interest in staying out of jail. I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I doubt either of them think war is on the horizon and if they do they probably believe they can avoid it (Kamala by continuing the ukraine war and trump by ending it)
I have to disagree here. Both sides have been at least drumming up support to attack Iran, unsure how this will look at the moment, but they agree that Iran is their “biggest” target and are not shy in saying so. That rhetoric tied with the unwavering support for isntreal gives either side the consent to target Iran.
Yeah I throw my hands up regarding iran, legit don’t know what is real and what is just spectacle
All Harris had to do was to even pretend to be progressive, but she had to jump on the ghoul train in order to impress 7 columnists. Why do they think that Negraponte and Cheney are good endorsements?
The dems were on a slight roll when they chose to do what the ‘left’ told them by replacing Biden and choosing Waltz for VP, but then decided to double down to pander to the right.
Considering how unhinged Wehrmacht Waltz is I don’t think that was a roll… but then again the bar is in hell
As far as I can tell Walz’s one good point is that he doesn’t personally seem to have China derangement syndrome.
Are we talking about the same guy? The dude claimed to have been at Tinyman square for the “massacre” (later redacted) and intentionally married on the 5th anniversary for political brownie points. He’s not completely deranged (ie. constantly spewing blood libel and marching to WW3) but it’s a low bar.
Yeah, that low bar is what I mean, most dems trip right over it.
Her sister is married to an Uber executive. Her inner circle is a buch of people deeply involved with McKinsey, major banks, the Ford Foundation, etc. She is personally deeply embedded in the donor class, it’s not even about appeasing them, it’s the fact that she IS them
Bribers. They bring war profiteering bribers.
Capturing the donor class is far more important than getting votes. That’s why Citizens United exists - to make sure that politicians will always prioritize the donor class.
This is the one chance the Democrats have to become the new Republican party thanks to Trump burning bridges with all its traditional bourgeois base. It would be stupid not for them to take the opportunity.
They can capture the donor class behind closed doors. This move reeks of DC staffer conventional wisdom
Why closed doors when the voters don’t even matter to them? It’s a rebranding phase - the Democrats have to make it explicit to their new donors. You know, make them feel welcomed.
There is also no need for a “secret conspiracy” here because when politicians make their public statements, they are just talking to the donor class. This has always been the case. No need to hide behind anything when the voters don’t matter to you.
I don’t understand why people still keep trying to twist reality into fitting what they want to see, when everyone here knows deep down, the Democrats and the Republicans have always blatantly make statements without taking the voters into account. If this hadn’t been the case, public pressure and protests would have worked. But we all know they haven’t.
You are not that important. Only the top 1% matters.
It really is one of the most incredible unforced errors of all time.
It’s the donors, it’s always the donor money that does this to them.
Exactly. They’ve siphoned off a lot of GOP donors and see that as a continually valid strategy
At this point i fully believen that for the wider world, American elections are pointless. Who gives a shit about the next administrator of US imperialism. Wether its Trump or Harris, blood will keep being sacrificed to the blood god that is capital. International law has proven itself meaningless when war crimes are being comitted by the west and its allies, so what are institutions like the UN and the ICC supposed to be? The fact that western media still treats this election as some extremely important global event, with live updates starting as far back as july shows the utter derangement of the average western liberal. The emperor has no clothes but the west is tripping over itself to praise his sense of fashion.
I don’t believe the American people are good enough to reject genocide, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Oh, and how is Nate Silver still around? I thought the humiliation of 2016 should have made him crawl under a rock to hide forever
I don’t get why a 70/30 projection for Clinton should have humiliated him? He was more skeptical of Hillary than a lot of mainstream media. What should humiliate him are his dogshit analysis of political strategy and COVID stuff, not his projections
I thought the humiliation of 2016 should have made him crawl under a rock to hide forever
Huh? Silver was literally the only “serious” prognosticator who forecasted a possible upset; everyone else thought it was a no contest (Princeton gave it like a 99.5% “Bayesian” prediction for Hillary).
“Bayesian”
“Bayesian” in contemporary use means “make up numbers and apply those made up numbers until whatever result you want to happen looks likely, even inevitable.”
Am I misremembering? Who was the statistician who predicted a slam dunk for Clinton and then later released a post about why he got it wrong?
it may have the Princeton Consortium guy. i think he said he’d literally eat his shoes, or a pile of bugs or something if he lost – i’m sure he at least ate rhetorical crow and had to follow up with a mea culpa post.
I don’t believe the American people are good enough to reject genocide, but I’m willing to be proven wrong.
Pretty much. Though even then it’s also a toss-up, because the system genuinely has nothing to offer and anyone with sense knows it, Klanmala’s “joy” and genocidal vibes can’t replace the actual material conditions Trump is calling out (though he won’t fix them either).
A bad country, with a bad society (many good people, but a profoundly and perhaps inherently sick and wretched society), and admittedly they’ll get what they deserve (same counts for my country and the entire west TBF).
I remember when a poll showed “Generic unnamed Democrat” polling 8% better than Biden in some places. It was clear as day that voters wanted literally anything but Biden. When Biden dropped out people thought they’d be getting their wish, but every day since then, Kamala just keeps telling us that she’s gonna continue exactly what Biden did.
How is it not obvious to everyone that dems are controlled opposition?
Sure, they can reduce the imperial boomerang in reasonable amounts (but not too much) in their local places. But on a federal level they better lock in with the democrats to happily serve the American people all the exploitation they keep enthusiastically asking for.
I don’t even see them as controlled opposition anymore. They’re competing (and generally friendly) fascist tendencies, nothing more- even the “reduce the imperial boomerang” is an overstatement, considering what we’re actually talking about is them simply “not engaging in internal colonialism/oppression as much (in certain specific places).” Klanmala’s history as a prosecutor is basically the textbook example of this.
I think a lot of it is people wanting to believe otherwise. I noticed this in myself when the Walz picked was announced and there was this initial surge of enthusiasm. Democrats were doing this “Republicans are weird” bit that worked hilariously well and Walz had a record of progressive policies in his state.
I live in Germany so US politics doesn’t affect me as directly as it does Americans, but the tiny part in me that still holds on to naive, liberal ideas saw that and was like “Hey, maybe the West’s descent into fascism will finally stop now and we can all go back to brunch! Wouldn’t that be lovely? Wouldn’t it be just lovely if the good guys took charge and you wouldn’t have to worry about all the horrible things in the world anymore? Wouldn’t it be nice to feel hope again after a year of unprecedented despair?”
Personally I was way too jaded and disillusioned to truly buy into that, but I could tell that I wanted to believe.
Honestly I thought this would be a slam dunk for Trump after the assassination photo, then he completely failed to capitalize on that, then I thought it would be a slam dunk for Harris, then she did absolutely nothing to make her likeable and got an endorsement from Cheney. How are both presidential candidates so bad at running for president
From what I understand, Trump actually got chilled by the attempt, right? Like he actually had to stop and think about the world and his place in it for the first time in his life. I don’t know, I’m sorry to anthropomorphize a republican. I haven’t really been following. But he’s supposedly talented at reading the room, right?
Neither have anything to offer and they know it.
The mask is peeling off, Musk is already blatantly bragging about being the “shadow president” behind Trump like its something to be proud of.
I just assume he’s fully possessed by the ghost of Kissinger. He’s got the inscrutable accent, bloodthirst, and Wormtongue bearing down already, so let’s see what his take on Cambodia is.
On the other hand Kissinger was a genuine strategic genius who orchestrated the downfall of the Soviet Union while Elon Musk can’t tie his own shoes because it doesn’t have AI booba
u fucking wot, m8
https://israelpalestinenews.org/dr-henry-kissinger-the-myth-of-the-great-statesman/
Or literally just search the phrase “the myth of Henry Kissinger” and read any of the numerous pieces along those lines to understand that you have been snookered by propaganda.
Well he certainly isn’t becoming president the regular way given that he’s not a natural born citizen.
So “shadow president” is the best he can possibly get.
all the years of hysteria and bullshit from both parties and american voters are about to come out probably in record numbers to deliver the same result as a random number generator app
maybe Americans are smarter than I thought lol
Islamophobia among liberals in 3, 2, 1…
Already happened. My mother the “progressive” “pacifist” said the “they’ve been fighting over this piece of land for thousands of years” shit to me and I lost my shit. This directly after saying the problem is how much foreign aid we send “the Jews”. Like… Dems are beyond cooked.
It’s like they’re both trying to lose.
What’s even funnier is that all Kamala had to do was do the one thing democrats are good at: doing NOTHING! Just say they will take no more action in aiding Israel and Ukraine, and boom. EZ clap.
But no. Dems think that will “alienate the working class by being too woke” so they won’t do it.
No, that’s just strategic thinking for the long term.
The Democrats want to become the Republican Party. They have been explicitly trying to do so for the last few decades. Now they have a real chance of capturing the traditional bourgeois sectors that have always been core to the Republican base - the military industrial complex and the fossil fuel industry, and to a lesser extent, the national security state. Trump has managed to piss off all of them on top of the Wall Street finance capitalists that he himself is a part of.
Because of the way Citizens United works, no political party in America can win elections without campaign contributions. Capturing the donor class thus becomes the key priority to win elections. The Democrats can lose this election (they won’t though), but if they strip away the bourgeois donor base of the Republican Party and leave the latter with their Trumpian MAGA petty bourgeois voters, then the Republican Party is as good as dead.
This is why support from the Reaganites and the Cheneys are so important to the Democrats. They represent a new paradigm where traditional Republican donor class is now jumping ship to the Democratic Party. The Republican Party will end up being the MAGA culture war party with barren financial support to sustain their future electoral campaigns.
In other words, the Republican Party is cooked.
love your posts/POV, but disagree strongly.
The Dems are not becoming/ cannot become Republicans. if fusionist republican orthodoxy was sufficient to win, the GOP would still be doing it; Paul Ryan would be in his second term as president. it’s not, you need some popular juice, because only appealing to the donors is not sufficient. and yet, the Trumpist, pseduo-populist GOP still promises corporate/capital gains tax cuts; it will still be for exporting war and imperialism and deregulation of industry and markets, and there’s no way it loses fully the donor class, which itself has different interests and constituents.
the current harris attempt at triangulation only works, if it actually does, because Trump has unique weaknesses – attempting to foment a constitutional crisis, instead of peacefully transferring power, and pissing off, in a personal way, prior GOP powerbases. harris can attempt to appeal to the Never Trumpers to squeak over this electoral line, but that won’t be a viable long-term strategy: the WSJ readers will uniformly return to the GOP.
if anyone is cooked, its these waffling dems. the Obama coalition is collapsing in real time: the demographic inevitability/ ascendency thesis is no more, as the dems are hemorrhaging support from non-whites. woke-capitalist/imperialist rhetoric will not be enough after Trump: if the dems can’t provide material support to the non-college educated, many will be drawn to the inclusive, non-PMC-inflected cultural posture of the Trumpists.
You’re spot-on. The republicans are no stranger to factions and periods of weakness. They still manage to come back every time. The current state they’re in is nowhere near as dire as it was during the Great Depression era when articles were being made about their “inevitable” death.
This current period is closer to the Gilded Age when Democrats had support from big business and the added benefit of European immigrants largely favoring them. The Republican Party had many factions with a lot of members jumping to the very business-friendly Grover Cleveland.
People need to look harder at the Republican Party history to understand why they’ve been able to pull back after so many people over the years have prematurely declared them “dead.”
In other words, the Republican Party is cooked.
I want this timeline to be the one where the GOP pivots towards MAGA social democracy.
You mean MAGA fascism?
No, I mean they’ll pivot to something like MAGA communism except the “communism” is watered down to social democracy with herrenvolk characteristics. As part of domestic counterinsurgency, there will always be two parties. If the Democrats are going to pivot towards being the bad cop, the GOP will have to pivot towards being the good cop.
I dunno about that. The Republican Party is a political cockroach. It’s unkillable. Every time they’re cooked, they just survive inexplicably.
If after Trump they can find a new figure who can re-capture the appeal of the bourgeois elites, or if the Harris administration failed so badly that they ended up worse than Trump (never say never because the blowbacks in a multi-front war can be very real), then it’s a possibility.
But the paradigm shift right now happens because Biden has managed to regain the confidence of the bourgeois class - the war in Ukraine propelled weapons sales and defense contractor stocks through the roof, the US regaining its leading role as a global net exporter of oil and natural gas after the fossil fuel industry (literally the Bush family stronghold) got screwed hard by Trump, the national security state getting its wishes of finally having a war with Russia and Iran (and soon China), and the Wall Street are having fun with Bidenomics handling the inflation by sacrificing the working class to make the line go up. S&P has never been higher especially under such high interest rates and inflation.
All the bourgeois bases are consolidating around Biden’s performance, compared to how Trump had utterly failed advancing all of their interests from 2016-2020.
NGL, that kind of explains why we get all the smuglord fascists saying “if you’re the counterculture, then why are all corporations so blue?”
I know that in its current state the Working Families Party is just Democrats off-shoot, but I seriously hope they split.
Working Families-Farm-Labor-Progressive-Nonpartisan League
Just merge all the various left-wing fusion parties into one thing.
Trump is scared of
, not sure what Harris’s excuse is.
Kalamity Harris is upon us.
