As Zelenskyy sheltered from Russia’s invasion in bunkers and evaded Russian assassins, Stoltenberg wasn’t able to speak to him for two days. When they finally talked, “that phone call was quite difficult”… …Part of it, Stoltenberg recalls, was the fear Zelenskyy would soon be “caught or killed”.
Transcript, should have a link to the show
https://michael-hudson.com/2024/10/why-the-war-in-ukraine-is-meant-to-drag-on-strategic-goals-european-discontent-and-natos-role/