Hey, everyone who’s claiming Harris is going to be just as bad for Gaza as Trump will be: square this circle for me, would you?
They’re voting Jill Stein because Daddy Putin says vote splitting is a communist conspiracy
Jill Stein sold her morals to the highest bidder like a good capitalist.
Harris sold hers to AIPAC
You don’t care about palestinians.
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The people who claim that are campaigning for trump.
Some because they like him. Some because they are accelerationist motherfuckers that want to see the world burn. Some because they are useful idiots.
But they are all spreading lies in service of Trump.
Well actually several Dem congressmen vote for stuff we don’t like therefore all Dems are as bad as Repubs and therefore they are worse than Repubs.
My sources are lemmy.ml and hexbear.
It’s black and white thinking and it’s stupid. There’s zero nuance to it.
That would require them being capable of critical thinking, and anyone willing to vote third party clearly lacks in that department.
I live in a state where my vote literally doesn’t matter. Think about that, genius.
Cool. Not everyone does and advocating protest voting can have an effect outside that of your individual vote. Your move, genius.
Critical thinking would lead you to vote third party.
What they lack is a specific piece of electoral information about first past the post voting: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
Combine the understanding that america–deeply unfortunately–uses first past the post voting with critical thinking, and it’s obvious third parties are, for now, a waste.
But if you wrongly accuse them of not having critical thinking skills, they’ll use their critical thinking skills, which they have, to assume that you are not a good source of information, even though you’re encouraging them in the right direction.
No. Critical thinking skills preclude even entertaining the notion of voting third party, because critical thinking skills would lead one to comprehend how FPTP and the EC work, and realize the all-but-guaranteed mathematical impossibility of electing a third party president.
Anyone who proudly proclaims to vote third party is one of the following, without exception:
- an uninformed idealist, aka a useful idiot
- a bad actor
- an entitled jackass with zero disregard for the effects of their actions
In any of these cases, I wouldn’t trust these people with a butter knife let alone a ballot. But that’s not my call, so I call them out for what they are.
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In my experience it’s usually number 3. They’re not at risk under a Trump administration (or so they think) so their hands are clean, no matter how damaging their actions are. Throwing Gazans, Ukrainians, LGBTQ, women, minorities, etc under the bus while claiming a moral victory for “punishing the Democrats”. And no amount of explaining this to them will make them realize this, because they just bury their heads in the sand, call you a genocide lover, and start blabbering about “Blue MAGA” or whatever is the new buzzword of the week.
Yeah, like I said, critical thinking is in short supply for that crowd.
That seems like a very roundabout way to say that in the present in the US, critical thinking leads you to not vote third party.
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Sure, but we all give them that specific piece of electoral information in nearly every thread.
your video reaches the wrong conclusion. values voting is the only way to stop party consolidation. the problem is strategic voting.
Last time I checked on those people they claimed Trump would be completely pro Palestinian and everyone who didn’t see this true true was stupid. Didn’t know they jumped right to jUsT As BaD.
Yeah, their newest cope is to say the Democrats are equally as bad as the Republicans, despite that being so blatantly false to anyone who has been paying attention for the past 8 years. They’re in for a very rude surprise when their plan to “push the Dems left” results in Trump obliterating Gaza and enacting Project 2025 and pushing the country even further right than it is now. And there won’t be another election for the Dems to court Left voters for.
No one claimed Trump would be better for Palestine, we’ve said Harris and Biden is as bad as Trump would be.
Ohh, well here is a perfect example of him being worse.
Biden/Harris still “just as bad?”
Right now there is effectively a ban on Palestinians.
In NO sane world is a ban worse then actual genocide
So it’s your honest belief that Trump will just literally, not “defacto,” ban Palestinian refugees and go no further?
The man who said he would illegally exile American Palestinian supporters? The man whose only comment directly on the genocide is that Israel needs to "finish the problem?"
You think the half cocked, more extreme person who has already called for more brutality to Palestine and Americans who support Palenstine, who is clearly playing politics by not stating his exact concept of a plan for Palestine, is the better answer here?
They saw the rhetoric against Haitians in Ohio and were delighted. There’s no point in attempting to reason with them, unless it is fun.
There are only three kinds of lemmy.ml denizens. The first are MAGA and want Donald to start pogroms in the US. The second are “leftists” who love state capitalism like China or straight-up oligarchical kleptocracy Russia, they want the US to fail so China-style authoritarianism can spread. The third signed up for the wrong instance and will eventually leave when they find out the admins are deathly frightened of facts.
They’re both going to be shit to Palestine because they’re both owned by Zionists. And with an amount of money and weapons that the US is providing to Netanyahu, they are allowing him to finish the problem.
no one is saying trump is better
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Yes they are. Every single thing that Trump will do to these brutalized people is always minimized, ignored or “both sized” in these threads.
Every example of his brutality is hand waved away to somehow say that “nuh uh, he can’t be worse because then I would have to make a pragmatic choice.”
I mean for fuck sake. He just literally a week ago claimed against all evidence that legal Haitian immigrants were eating American cats and dogs in front of the whole fucking nation, and we are still playing this very stupid game? People want to pretend this evil, racist, vindictive fuck is somehow the right option and still want to argue about this?
By saying Biden is “as bad” they’re effectively saying “Trump is better than IRL Trump” which is an objectively false position. Its effectively a campaign to whitewash Trump’s clearly awful positions.
Its not hard to say “Biden is bad and Trump is worse for Palestine”
So we should completely ignore what’s going on by something that he has said. If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?
Yes, now you’re starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.
And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.
So hold no one accountable and don’t try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it’s better to grab performative notes from Twitter.
At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people’s lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don’t actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.
This is a blatant lie.
I mean it does look a lot like Trump will not only aid Israel genocide of gaza but will join in on the murder. Maybe the time for false equivocation is over ?
You mean exactly like what’s going on right now? They are both owned by AIPAC and will do what AIPAC wants.
Israeli settlers are naming an illegal settlement after Trump in the Golan Heights after his administration recognized them as part of Israel. Why would Israeli settlers, Netanyahu and the larger Israeli ethnostate project all be supporting Trump if he’s exactly the same as Joe Biden?
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Gotta protect the children
They were never serious
Basically his ideas are automatically the good ideas, and since Harris isn’t gonna do the exact same thing as him that means she’ll be bad. Same logic in saying she’ll be bad for Israel, the southern border, etc.
The people employing bad arguments and/or who just turned 14 are not likely to be able to do that.
Yeah they’re probably still learning their basic geometry
Clearly none were paying attention in Civics class.
They didn’t pledge enough allegiance to the flag. Didn’t bootlick enough cops to support one for president.
She could stop giving them weapons right now
All you’re doing is telling everyone that you don’t understand the authority of the VP
Yes, genocide with a smile is super awesome. Much better. \s
Sure! The Muslim ban will be defeated in court again, and the Biden administration will not accept refugees from Gaza in any real number regardless.
Refugees from gaza are not currently accepted by the us, smart one.
They have no response to this, because it’s completely factual and they’re more concerned with Trump’s rhetoric than Biden’s actions.
Exactly. Meanwhile privileged ass college kids talking about voting for this guy because Biden wasn’t being a baby. Fucking idiots.
Wat
Harris is happy to keep killing them over there so they don’t come over here
Check the latest from the Biden admin: https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0c608e65-1a84-4707-8124-06620a4c567c.png?thumbnail=1500&format=webp
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Really? You can’t bother to look up these completely true facts? Would rather call it a nazi conspiracy? That’s how this pipeline works: smug liberalism -> willful ignorance -> complicit with genocide.
Who’s upvoting this trash?
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Lol none of that is true. Prem Thakker isn’t a Nazi 😆
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For what? Bursting your positive vibes with reality?
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“Both sides”
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You can vote for Harris and also be an anti-genocide advocate by demanding your representatives to BDS Israel, back anti-genocide bills put forth by progressive Democrats, and demand they support ending unconditional military aid to Israel. Every US voter can and should do both.
Trump will obviously be worse on all aspects of domestic and foreign policy.
Yeah, those goddamned refugees better not return to the land they had taken from them just now!
Edit: Ahh I realize I misinterpreted the title. W/e, Trump would be dumb enough to say something like that so I stand by what I said.
Is this actually what he said or are they omitting a 10 minute rant about electrified hannibal lector sharks? Does anyone have a transcript?
How the fuck is this asshole not in prison? He was convicted of dozens of felonies…
curious to see what the IP people will have to say about this one…
“In an event about combating antisemitism”
… I’ve heard about fighting fire with fire, so they took that literally and fight hatred with hatred?
“In order to not be antisemitic were going to be anti-islamic/Arabic! We can’t just love people, that’s hippie woke bullshit! Make America Hate
StillAgain!”Fighting hatred with hatred has been going on for several decades now. As the atrocities pile up on both sides it is likely to just get worse.
Zionism is a supremacist ideology based on stealing land from the inferiors. The atrocities and hatred are a fundamental component of zionist ideology.
No doubt about that. The real question is how do we move forward with the least loss of human life and dignity. Leaving these people to continue to terrorize each other is no longer an option.
Low numbers =/= full ban
Read the link and look at what they are asking for. They’re asking for a designation change to make the process simpler/easier for gaza refugees
Not to say we shouldn’t also be doing that, but that the link does not say there is a full ban as trump is suggesting
Not letting them in while there is an active genocide occurring in their country is a ban. While liberals are concerned about something he said they ignore what’s going on right now. Harris once said she backed livable wages and M4A, shouldnt we be holding her to the same standard?
It is a truly disgusting version of “democracy” when the “choices” are between two genocidal creeps.
lol that half the comments are libs getting btfo because there is currently a defacto ban on refugees from gaza.
Is Biden currently allowing them?
I know he’s announced he’d “look into it” but I don’t think he’s ever let any in for the last year.
It’s just a concept of the potential for empathy for the victims of a genocide…
Research options on helping Palestinian refugees is just as bad as outright banning them along with other Muslums from entering the country… thanks for clearing that up…
It’s been a year…
What exactly needs to be “looked into”?
Like, you’re mad trump says he’ll do this…
But not mad that it’s currently happening right now?
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and at the people that try to gaslight that the Democrats are worse, for whatever reason.
No one is saying they’re worse, just that “better than trump” is still supporting a genocide, refusing refugees and cutting off valid humanitarian aid based on propaganda from the genociders and not undoing it…
if you think Trump is better for the Palestinian people.
Again, no one is saying he would be…
Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.
You’re literally inventing a strawman to be mad at…
Which we all give Vance shit for…
Well no we are also demanding that the current admin stop and face consequences for its action. We just know that Republicans would gleefully do worse and anyone pretending that is not the case is operating with a malign agenda. Its pretty straight forward.
Thank you for jumping in with a bit of a different but reasonable perspective. I’m not sure why I even stepped into this cesspool.
Well no we are also demanding that the current admin stop and face consequences for its action
Does that “we” include Harris or any Dem not named Sanders, Talib, or AOC?
We just know that Republicans would gleefully do worse and anyone pretending that is not the case is operating with a malign agenda
It’s weird I have to keep saying this:
Literally no one is saying that Trump wouldn’t be worse here…
I’m saying if you think trump is so bad that we can’t criticize Biden for breaking multiple US and international laws to support a genocide and remove aid from it’s victims…
You’re still supporting a genocide
You can say genocide is unacceptable and trump is unacceptable. Especially since Biden isn’t even the nominee anymore.
Drink every comment givessomefucks has the word genocide in it
Look, fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas for starting all of this. It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about. I’d rather do everything we can within the current political reality than be right like Jimmy Carter and for the Dems to basically lose all political agency for the next decade plus. Right now I am lucky enough to say that and be so caulous. I hope my family and I can still do so after the inauguration in January. I hope we don’t have our own concentration camps of immigrants in our backyards.
Hamas didn’t exist in the 1800s, they didnt start this. But I am glad you “people” finally admit you have no empathy or think of people outside yourself; I was getting tired of hearing the lie that liberals are more caring than other conservatives
No one called themselves Palestinians back in the 1800s in the Ottoman Empire either. But yeah man, you got me dead to rights. Great Job.
It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about.
So you’re saying that because trump exists…
We can’t criticize Biden for breaking multiple US and international laws to support a genocide and removing aid from it’s victims?
You do you I guess…
But I dont have time for people who think genocide is acceptable under any circumstances
The first and foremost rule of first aid is to ensure your own safety first. Same rule applies here. Hope your righteousness doesn’t bite you in the ass, I truly do.
Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.
Ironic that you’re saying other people are the ones inventing stuff.
There’s the Lehey Law and it’s amendment that says if a country can’t prove their weapons aren’t used for war crimes we’re not allowed to give them weapons.
Biden has ignored evidence US munitions are used in war crimes, and went around Congress to unilaterally facilate a sale.
Thata not all of it, but I doubt we’re going to have a constructive discussion about why you believe that’s not illegally supporting a genocide.
If the effect is the same, does it matter?
Yes. The inherent racism matters.
Is Biden currently allowing them?
The answer is an astounding NO
