• Julianus
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    3 years ago

    That, my friend, is straight-up projection. Yes, we shall see. But I doubt it’ll be that long before the dust settles.

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      3 years ago

      The difference between us is that my position is the same as that of the actual experts, like US colonels and US federal reserve. Meanwhile, your position is based on literal propaganda you consume. You go around regurgitating this nonsense while getting upset when facts are presented to you.

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        3 years ago

        Lol, you’re still projecting. You literally resort to name calling whenever the facts don’t fit your narrative.

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          LOL, you clearly don’t understand what the word projection means. Not really surprising given that you don’t seem to understand much of anything. Also rich having you talk about facts not fitting the narrative. Facts like Russia having a stable economy that’s not dependent on the west, or having advanced manufacturing capability, or even simple facts like Buran not actually being a copy of the shuttle. Funny how you just pivoted the conversation when I presented you with that fact. You keep accusing me of projection while that’s precisely what you yourself are doing. The most hilarious part is that you lack any sort of self awareness and just keep clowning around here thinking you’re making great points.

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            You make dozens of comments on a daily basis attacking people over and over, you were catastrophically wrong about fundamental facts relating to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, evinced no willingness whatsoever to engage in self-examination about why you were wrong, and you can’t seem to express disagreement without antagonizing others, have an irritating inclination toward self-satisfied last-wordism which doesn’t make you right but just wrong in ways that are tedious to litigate, and your entire comment history is a history of you arguing with other people 24x7.

            I can’t think of any thread on lemmy where you did anything that was contributing to building a positive community and I think the community would be more healthy without you here.

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              You’re claiming that I’m catastrophically wrong about fundamental facts. What specific facts are you claiming I’m wrong about?

              Meanwhile, you can feel free to block me if my comments offend you so much. What you mean by “building a positive community” must refer to having a community of people who agree with you. I think the community would be a healthier place without people such as yourself.

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                There’s a cat and mouse game every few years where you have trolls who poison communities, and communities that adapt their community norms in response, and then trolls who adapt their behavior to new communities norms and on and on.

                I think modernized community norms for 2022 would identify most of the stuff you are doing: expressing disagreement through antagonization and ridicule, gish galloping, one-dimensional focus on controversial subjects, lack of gracious contrition when wrong or even when right, and a cumulative net effect of constantly creating hostile back-and-forths as within the bounds of what it means to be a troll who poisons a community in 2022. If it were up to me we would update community norms on Lemmy to exclude this kind of behavior.

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                  That’s a complete and utter mischaracterization of my interactions with the community. Let’s start with the fact that I’ve had my account here for two years now, and in that time pretty much all my interactions with the community have been positive. Go ahead and look back through my posts and comments.

                  The only time I’ve started having negative interactions was when I started being hounded by a handful of trolls such as @julianus on the specific topic of the conflict in Ukraine. I haven’t had any negative interactions with other members of community outside literally four or five people who suddenly appeared on Lemmy and whose history is pretty much exclusively spreading misinformation about the situation in Ukraine.

                  I’m very glad that people such as yourself aren’t deciding the norms for the community. However, you can feel free to start your own instance and invite the trolls following me around to join it. Maybe you can all be happy there together.

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            So you’re saying Buran was a totally new concept sprung from the free thinking of the Soviet Union? “I’m just spitballing here, comrades… let’s make an oversized spaceplane that’s totally unlike the American one… but we’ll add jets to it!” That sounds exactly like this nationalization of McDonalds, where they keep everything exactly the same, but just change the logo. Good luck getting a resupply on those seasonal McRibs, Yogi.

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              What the article I linked very clearly explains is that Buran was a substantially different design from the shuttle, and the similarity to it is only skin deep. USSR was also the technological leader throughout the space race and managed to produce plenty of things like closed cycle engines that US still isn’t able to manufacture on their own.

              Meanwhile, I don’t even live in Russia. Your whole world view is ideologically driven so you just assume I must have some personal stake in this. I’m simply explaining to you that the reality of what Russia is differs wildly from your conception of it.

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                The very idea of a spaceplane is flawed. But Stalinist brutality hammers out anything but conformity. Even Korolev himself spent time in a gulag! So it’s no surprise Soviet engineers simply aped whatever their spies said the Americans were working on. With better bells and whistles, because Capitalism is flawed! They could worked on something actually revolutionary, instead built a knock off they only flew once.

                Consider that ridiculously long table in Putin’s bunker today with meek generals at the far end. Isn’t that the same mentality today? It wasn’t a recipe for success then nor is it now.

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                  The very idea of a spaceplane is flawed. But Stalinist brutality hammers out anything but conformity.

                  Stalin was around when Buran was made?

                  So it’s no surprise Soviet engineers simply aped whatever their spies said the Americans were working on.

                  Once again, you should actually learn why both US and USSR made space planes. My favorite part in these discussions is how you just keep saying stuff that’s just demonstrably false, and you could just google and learn about it instead of making shit up constantly.

                  Consider that ridiculously long table in Putin’s bunker today with meek generals at the far end. Isn’t that the same mentality today? It wasn’t a recipe for success then nor is it now.

                  Another perfect example of you having absolutely no clue about Russia or history. Zhukov promoted by Stalin precisely because he challenged Stalin and had strong opinions. And do remind me how the war worked out then, who was it that won it again?

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                    No, I said Stalinist, since he left a stain that wasn’t easily removed, even today. He did actually send Korolev to prison in Siberia, though. Imagine what the Soviet space program might have achieved, if getting sent to a gulag a daily option. Echoes of the past, as Putin threatens his generals with arrest for telling him what he doesn’t want to hear.

                    In the US, the space shuttle’s goal was to reuse expensive engines and thereby bring the cost per kg of payload down. This did not come to pass. The Soviets spent all the money to copy the same idea but never actually used it, because they concluded, as well, that it wasn’t economic.

                    The invasion is in progress. The results are unclear at the moment, but judging by how insistent Putin and ~~Lapdog ~~Lavrov are bleating more and more about peace talks, it implies the stalled offensive cannot be sustained much longer. I honestly don’t see how Ukraine can capitulate to demilitarize, given Russia’s repeated aggression.