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- cross-posted to:
- riscv
- ubuntu
- linuxhardware@programming.dev
The link makes it seem like crap hardware, and sure 4gb of ram is really crappy. But how does this compare with one of my kid’s Fire tablets? Does anyone have opinions on that?
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Linux is not replacing Android tablets any time soon for casual use by non-techies. Especially on RISC-V, where not much software has been packaged to that architecture. Even ARM or X86 tablets don’t have much tablet-oriented software available. Most DEs are pretty shit at tablet style navigation.
It will gather dust, I guarantee it. Maybe someday Linux will be there, but it won’t be soon. And I’ve tried several times with several devices to make that happen.
Sure, it’s not perfect, but there is still probably use cases there. For me personally, I prefer using roll20 to store my character sheets for D&D, and my peace of shit 15 year old laptop just isn’t cutting it anymore. I don’t think this is a $150 use case, but if the price of this tablet were to come down I’d have second thoughts.
If I could get a 7" RISC-V tablet that only ran FBReader or some other calibre-compatible reader, and had wifi, I would be very happy. I would even pay $150. But I’m not holding my breath.
Do you know that this does not? It might.
You could get a decent lightweight netbook type machine that’s maybe under a decade old and only have to shell out like $30 and you could Linux it just fine. Until not long ago I was using a 13 year old Toshiba laptop and it was kicking ass. I only replaced it because for sheer cpu power I just needed something faster for certain things.
I’m still waiting for somebody to release a Linux tablet with an immutable distro and Waydroid pre-installed.
Could be a killer product for productivity. Solid linux distro for desktop usage with the possibility to seamlessly open Android apps on demand.
Linux is not replacing Android tablets any time soon for casual use by non-techies.
Meanwhile PineTab 2 is used nearly daily here, at home and while traveling, by non-techies.
I’m not saying anybody is fine with a Linux tablet… but if the applications (not “apps”) one actually uses function properly on it, no reason that it would gather dust.
PS: tinkered with a Banana Pi BPI-F3 with SpacemiT K1 8 core RISC-V and for that architecture specifically I would wait just a bit more, also why I didn’t get a PineTab V RISC.
I also have a Pinetab 2 and now after a year I’d say it’s in a pretty good state.
However, if you just want a tablet, a similarly priced Android tablet will run circles around it in responsiveness and feel. (I have a Xiaoxin Pad pro 2022/Lenovo Pad M10 3rd gen)
Re RISC-V: AFAIK the new SpacemiT chips are the first actually usulable ones. The older and more common JH7110 has half the cores and way lower feature level. Like, no floating points and other extensions that are essential for modern computing.
I had Ubuntu on two of my ASUS transformer pads and I finally caved and went back to Android-x86 on the one that I use as a tablet more frequently. I really wish someone would make a proper full fledged touch distro for tablets, and at the same time I totally get why nobody has gone to the effort yet. Android kinda has it covered enough. I tried Bliss but some elements of the OS just would not play nice.
I think if any DE is close enough to what a tablet should have it’s Unity, and I don’t see anyone trying to bring that up to speed with Wayland etc. but it seems to be the best candidate short of making a DE from scratch - which might just be the best idea when all is said and done.
Mobian as developed for PostmarketOS and Pinephone is about the best you can find today. I’ve never tried it on a tablet, just phones, so YMMV.
Hmm Mobian. I’ll have to try that.
Mobian developed for PostmarketOS? I feel like you are mixing something up here, as those are both distros. Maybe you mean Phosh?
Yes, you’re right. I was trying to figure out what the DE alone was.
DEs need to embrace tiling functionality and transparent windows (eg. playing a YT video under your LibreOffice window). It’s the only proper way to use a tablet. Obviously KDE’s Windows-like taskbar is a nightmare for tablets but even Android’s “deck of window cards” is crappy for anything that you couldn’t just as well do on a smartphone.
I don’t think you can get a good quality Android tablet with more than 4gb for $150 either so it’s an actually interesting deal for some people.
That’s what I thought. It has no android lock to Google, I assume root access, so it’s basically really yours?
You can unlock the bootloader and install FOSS ROMs on some Android tablets.
Yeah, but just the fact that you are unlocking something means to me that at the very bottom of your software stack there’s a little switch that if you can’t unlock it, your entire computer is locked out to you. The owner should have full access to the entire computing device. I’m fine if the tablet boots to a fail safe interface. That’s good Linux practice. But don’t permanently eliminate root.
Not many though, a few Samsung and then the pixel tablet as far as I know and they’re still a bit more than $150 even used usually
Lenovo Pad if you order the unlocked versions from Aliexpress. Search for Xiaoxin Pad, anyone offering a global ROM version has unlocked the bootloader.
But are there any actual FOSS ROMs on it?
I installed a GSI fork of LineageOS. Not sure if there are any device-specific ROMs for it, haven’t checked in a while.
I just ordered a tab a7 lite for myself for some casual use and I read in advance it could be owned with a variety of things to the best of my understanding. I’m hoping it won’t be too much trouble.
Needs to be compatible with said tablet, not always the case
Most new devices support GSI ROMs
The problem is the hardware not working because proprietary drivers aren’t built into GSIs
Galaxy Tab A9 has 4gb for under $150.
Samsung A9+ goes on sale for about $150 every once in a while.
Kids FireHD tablets are generally lower than that. There’s not really any difference between the adult and kids version tbh.
Lenovo M series/Xiaoxin Pad is about that price with 4gb.
I have the 8GB/128GB snapdragon version (Xiaoxin Pad pro 2022) and it’s much more performant and fluid than my Pinetab 2, also 8GB/128GB version.
If your kids software is available in Ubuntu maybe? At a glance I’d wonder how power efficient it would be (my $100 Walmart tablet lasts all week with light usage, I doubt this could compare), and would have to wonder as well on gpu performance. It’s likely not optimized yet so idk I’d trust 800 mhz as enough.
I think the article sums it up best:
RISC-V computing is a promising field but best ploughed by developers, early adopters, and tech enthusiasts at present. RISC-V chip performance is improving, but it’s not “there” for mainstream adoption — yet.
It’d be a ton of fun to tinker with and if you have the money to risk I’d say go for it! But I wouldn’t buy this for a kid unless I had the extra $150 to potentially get them a normal android tablet if this didn’t work as well as hoped.
my $100 Walmart tablet lasts all week with light usage, I doubt this could compare
probably not in a first release, but Android is convulted piece of shit compared to linux desktop environments. Not to mention Google’s and/or OEMs built-in system apps running 24/7 guzzling all your data in the background.
In time, I guess it would beat out in performance and efficiency but lose in the availability of applications, same as desktop linux.
Almost certainly, and get security updates something I’d very much want if I let the tablet off the local network. I would love to see this thing get to that point to ditch android entirely.
This is really meant to serve as a development platform though, so the price and capabilities probably matter less, and the default settings and such are probably not as tuned as they could be to offer the best performance or battery life.
I don’t even think power management tools in stock Linux take RISCV into account yet lol
Power management on “the most boring Intel chip imaginable” is still touch-and-go at times.
The article says it has 7hrs batter life
The problem for me is the shipping. It was more than 100$ for the dc roma laptop 2. maybe the tablet is less.
In any case, I‘m definitely going for risc-v as a hobby dev and admin.
I watched Explaining Computer’s review of the DC-ROMA RISC-V Laptop II and I’ve decided to wait until the next gen RISC. It’s too early even for me. When even overly-enthusiastic and much-too-forgiving Christopher Barnatt thinks it’s not quite there yet, I pass.
It is very low powered hardware that is old at this point. Don’t buy it.
The hardware is not old but it is low powered. From the article: “The DC-ROMA RISC-V Pad II would struggle to outperform a cheap, second-hand ARM-based Android tablet from 5 years ago.”
The reason to buy it is not to have a tablet. It is to have an affordable RISC-V development and test machine.
Buy it if you want to help advance RISC-V.
I would just get a single board computer then. You could even get a desktop chip.
The ram options available for this tablet are better than what the iPad had when it first came out, and are pretty on par with more modern versions. Source
The idea of using a tablet as a computer is not exactly a selling point for me. What id love to see is an app market space for tablets like this. Something that competes with Apple and Google; especially if it had a focus on home automation and security. Gaming would be a close second.
Sure, but I thought apt was just that. Anyone can make a repository or app store and give you access to apps thru apt-get install app. You could also run ducker to run virtual apps.
I would want to run gimp, krita, scribus inkscape, blender (maybe), Joplin, python/notebook, Spyder, libre office, etc. I think that would be a great list of apps that already one can easily install via app. I don’t want a store like apple or google and for sure I don’t want black box stuff that will run in the background consuming battery and stealing my data. I’ll go check the review to see if the “it’s not there yet” refers to functionality where these apps will keep crashing vs functionality meaning my mom can pick it up and use it like toddlers do. Big difference for me.
You can’t really compare RAM between iPadOS and Linux, just like you can’t compare either to Windows or Android. The schedulers and even just how the OSs use RAM is too different. This is why Android needs 2x the ram of a similar device running a different OS.
Good luck trying to run anything on risc-v (ik box64 and box86 exists)
I’m considering it, but I’m leery of a pre-order from China.
I would use it primarily as an e-reader and a chat client. I use a desktop for my heavy duty computing.
I mean, everything comes from China. But you mean the processor could be doing nepharious things under the hood to steal data from us and give it to China?
It doesn’t bother me that it’s made in China, it bothers me that it’s shipping from China.
I’m careful to check now, but in the past I’ve accidentally ordered products through Amazon that were actually third-party China-based corporations. More often than not I didn’t get the product and had to jump through hoops to get a refund.
Personally, I do not like the fact that the money they make from the device will end up as a portion of taxes going to the CCP. Plus all the card/address info being sent there too.
I’m assuming you don’t own a phone /s
Ah yes, the well known Chinese companies Intel and AMD and the best Chinese spy agency, the NSA. Lmao
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Its said in the very first sentence though?
It says 10.1" right in the summary. That’s not full dimensions, but it should give you a ballpark.
