• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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    3 years ago

    Putin has literally been trying to get the west to sit down and talk like adults since the 90s. The whole reason for this conflict is that the west has contempt for Russia and refused to take it seriously until now. Framing it as Putin being the only problem is precisely the reason for the whole mess.

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      Whining to the west doesn’t work. France walked a long, hard road. Vietnam didn’t complain about it’s plight, it adapted. India didn’t cave into the American sphere and look at them today. Those countries built themselves up, they didn’t try to succeed by dragging everyone else down. Russia’s current strategy is deeply flawed.

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        Nobody was whining. Russia said it had red lines that needed to be respected, and the west chose to ignore that. Now there’s a war. As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, and you continue to ignore, Russia also adapted by reindustrializing and becoming largely self sufficient. I guess you can’t acknowledge that since it doesn’t fit your narrative.

        Not sure how Russia’s current strategy is flawed actually. They will create the security they desire in the west. They have two large trade partners in the east. Their economy will be far less affected than western economy because unlike the west they actually prepared for this. Unipolar world is now over.

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          Consider how immature that is. “You better not stand too close to me, or I’ll beat up my next door neighbor!” The west is like, “Are you sure you want to do that? We won’t invite you to anymore parties and we’ll give him our spare guns…” Now Putin is crying that they made him get shot. An idiotic miscalculation of historic proportions.

          Cheaters never prosper. It’s not creating security, but serfdom. All the lies, the assassinations, the war crimes have finally come home to roost. Because of Putin’s megalomania, Russia is now captured in China’s orbit. Great, now you don’t answer to western masters. Now, it’s eastern masters.

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            Yeah, let’s consider how NATO has been expanding east for the past 30 years and destroying countries. Let’s also consider that NATO set the precedent for what Russia is doing in Yugoslavia.

            Meanwhile, none of your moralizing matters in the end. Russia had concerns, and they made them clear. The west had a choice to take them seriously or not. The west chose the latter and that led to a war.

            Meanwhile, the only idiotic miscalculation of historic proportions was in trying to cut Russia off from world trade. That very clearly hasn’t happened, as all the western bankers knew it wouldn’t. However, it absolutely did undermine the legitimacy of the western financial system.

            India now trade with Russia using rupees, China trades with Russia in Yuan, and even America’s best friends the Saudis won’t return Biden’s calls while talking about switching to yuan for their oil payments to China.

            Cheaters never prosper. It’s not creating security, but serfdom.

            Precisely why the west is failing today. The west brutally enslaved billions of people in the global south and has been enjoying a high standard of living plundering their labor and resources. Those days are rapidly coming to an end my friend.

            Meanwhile, I’ve repeatedly explained to you that I don’t live in Russia and I don’t have any stake in Russia’s future. I absolutely think Russia will fall into China’s orbit and will become its client state. Just like the country I reside in is a client state of the US.

            The problem for Europe however isn’t whom Russia answers to but where its resources and energy come from. If European leaders had any brains they would’ve integrated Russia into Europe as an equal partner and secured Europe’s needs the way China will secure theirs now.

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              Yes, the top 10% wealthiest (the West?) enjoy a life on the backs of the rest. That has to change, simply from the carbon output. How do you convince westerners to sacrifice their comfort? Thanks, Russia?

              I hope Europe uses this opportunity to curb their dependence on carbon-based fuel.

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                That’s clearly not going to change by choice. Most people in the west refuse to sacrifice their comfort or to think about what the true cost of their lifestyle is. Only way anything will change is when the western hegemony is dethroned by the people whose necks the west stands on.

                It would be great if Europe actually tried to curb their dependence on fossil fuels, but doesn’t look like there’s any meaningful plan to do that. Germany won’t even reopen its nuclear plants which is the only realistic option. The whole reason Germany asked Russia to build nord stream 2 was because reneweables weren’t meeting their energy needs.

                Meanwhile, becoming energy independent requires energy. Europe needs to create industries and to manufacture power plants to produce energy going forward. Where is the energy for that going to come from?