lemmy.world does not align with the values of this server and we will be disallowing federation in the near future. Please switch to another instance if you would like to maintain access.
Thank fuck! I am so fucking tired of reading posts written by people marginally to the left of thatcher complaining about all the ‘commies’ (read people who think we should improve society somewhat, for reference I am a breed of commie and we are massively outnumbered here).
Not to mention the horrid driveby antivegan downvote storm with 0 useful contributions because it challenges their fragile conception of masculinity.
I support this decision. Really sick of seeing so much pro-American anti-left content from that instance.
Thanks.
For kicks I took a look at the federated copy, at least I can laugh about it now that I have a plan. I don’t care to host and pay for social media and have faceless losers vote on it. This is a terrible system, the solution to just turning off downvotes doesn’t work because they still federate to all the other servers. Once the generalist instances are reduced I think this will be much better as well.
lemmy.world:
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Yeah I understand the frustration completely. It’s really disheartening to have your content attacked just because of right wing antivegan morons. I barely ever posted here until recently and even then my comments would just get downvoted for seemingly no reason, these people really need to get a life.
A big part of this I suspect is the amount of people browsing the All feed. AFAICT it’s quite high. And it has some deleterious effects on the organisation of the federated ecosystem because a whole bunch of people start interacting with content from communities that they don’t subscribe to likely aren’t interested in and don’t even align with at all.
But, because the content appears in their feed, they feel as entitled as anyone to vote and comment, even if their distance from the community makes their contribution tantamount to trolling.
Overall, along some other absent features, it’s dissolving lemmy’s ability to foster communities.
Fortunately, local only communities are in lemmy now with private (but federated) communities coming soon (apparently). This will allow communities to stay off of the All feed and federate only to people committed to them.
I’m not sure what the solution to this is to be honest, the more I think about it the idea of voting on comments is probably just a bad idea all together for what I want out of lemmy and clearly my desires and priorities differ from the overall user base of this software. I used forums for years with no voting and I’m not so sure why this needs voting on every comment because reddit had it. I understand that if there are millions of anonymous users you need a way to sort and this is crowd sourcing what is interesting, but, maybe this isn’t needed at all with only a few hundred users who are all participating in good faith.
I don’t know about how other instances operate but even though I have open sign ups, I can account for every account or have had good interactions with the random signups that have come through. I check up on the users on the instance to make sure newly accepted people aren’t trolls. It isn’t so hard for me because of the scale. Maybe this is the ideal scale and Lemmy as a whole needs to do more to convince people like me to pay for hosting instances and convince their friends to participate then organically grow in this way. People who use lemmy (mostly without contributing) appear obsessed with growth because they want to replace reddit, but I’ve been around lemmy for year and it isn’t and will never be reddit. The issues with lemmy.world and scaling fast, having to develop sublinks for features and whatever people are trying to do just doesn’t reflect how I want to use social media. When they get to that scale they’re going to attract people who are just looking to scroll an app while they take a shit and those people aren’t really going to participate in my cooking community.
Yep!!!
I’ve been saying more or less the same for a while … cloning big social platform designs is a problem on the fediverse. That people can’t seem to give up their big social habits is part of it too.
Voting was always a weird thing. Especially the downvote. Still convinced that’s toxic. With sufficient community organisation, along the lines of what you say, voting would be unnecessary and probably distracting.
I can see lemmy being flexible though. Private (or non-all-feed) communities sorted by New, hosted as you say on actual community driven instances like forums, and then for those who want it, more conventional Reddit things on bigger instances.
But yea, the doom scrolling expectation is a problem.
Thanks for the thoughts! And best wishes with whatever you’re up to!
I browse All and was generally happy discovering new cool communities this way, and keeping with the news in the fediverse (like with this post!). They don’t always align with my views and I think it’s great to see outside of my bubble and not get stuck in an echo chamber.
Vegan home cooks?! First time I’m learning of your existence, I’m not really interested in food in general, but sounds cool and will check it out, maybe get some dinner inspiration.
All feed is for sure useful. It’s about the balance though and what happens when a lot people use it exclusively.
woah. I’m not on world, but I’m curious, if I may, why exactly the defederation? Do world users kinda brigade on here with anti-vegan BS? I may have noticed it I suppose, but maybe not specifically coming from world.
Well my instance has been defederated from them for ages because they’re an overwhelmingly fash-adjacent instance
Adjacent doing some huge heavy lifting there lol
What do you mean?
I think I chose the wrong English saying there. I mean it is just regular fash.
No you used it properly but not everybody knows that idiom :)
They actually defederated from us in advance before we even went live with it because they feared the power of our posts.
Ohhh, yeah, they were the ones that did that. I can’t remember now which one we were federated with for a while and then yeeted. Was it shitjustworks or did we never federate to begin with?
Yeah that was shitjustworks.
Yes, we are purging all neoliberal garbage from this server. Lemmy.world functions as a mouthpiece for state propaganda. There are too many users and its structure is bad for the fediverse as a whole. The drive by downvotes and trolls mostly seem to come from large generalist instances and this is social media for real people we are taking steps to protect ourselves and whatever community we can eek out.
To make it worse they are now running
a “AI” basedlazily programmed “bias check” bots. The US and its allies are not reputable thus having them run bias check databases is a joke. This, along with similar AI tools in my view is building the tools for totalitarianism and should not be tolerated. Using automation to lazily check sources using only billionaire funded media as “reputable sources” of truth is disgusting. Blocking the bot isn’t enough, I don’t want that at all. Anyone who is building these tools are the enemy of free people.I am assisting with some final cleanup here then I will pass the admin role and community stuff to a friend and be out. I will probably post my pics to this community but the rest of lemmy has lost interest to me personally.
edit removed AI based, I guess it is dumber than I thought. I still do not want bots doing any kind of bias check in which US point of views are considered neutral.
To make it worse they are now running a “AI” based “fact check” bots.
This is hilarious. Literally question-begging whatever the dominant narrative is, since the material the AI is trained on would surely support that.
This in my view is building the tools for totalitarianism and should not be tolerated.
I don’t think totalitarianism is a useful term even in real politics, but if you mean autocracy, the system of administrators handing down decisions is essentially already oligarchical. In any case, I do still agree it’s intolerable.
No I mean totalitarian in the mind control sense, in the way they accuse other societies of being. You can not break out of their narrative without severe negative and retaliatory action. The dominant oligarchy has a complete lock down on their media and government and the bounds of acceptable thought.
Really? I did not yet see that there. Only the media bias bot, which uses the Media Bias/Fact Check database, but afaik no AI
I thought the idea was that it uses the “AI” to summarize the articles posted then runs them across the database to check the facts and their sources. If it is dumber than that good, regardless I don’t want any Americans doing any fact checking. They are the least reputable and least trustworthy people in the world.
Good thing then that it does not do any fact checking if the posted articles
The bigger problem with lemmy.world is that it is state propaganda and I’m glad I will no longer be caching and distributing it on my web server.
Yes, I can see that
Sorry to hear
I disagree towards the bots being the enemy of the free people. They’re just another tool, and can be both good and bad. Plus they’re likely needed when it comes to mass-scale disinformation campaigns like those launched by hostile foreign nations against countries in an effort to destabilize them. Much like veganism is far more nuanced than “eat salads”, I believe technology and social media is far more nuanced than you’re acknowledging.
All nations are hostile, especially the one developing the technology behind these bots. I am not a nation state and I have no enemies.
You live and are part of your nation and culture. The culture and life you’ve developed are in part, a part of your nation of origin. There are other nations that would be directly hostile to you regardless of your precieved association with your nation or not. You understand that, right? Like, I see what you’re trying to argue and I would love for the world to work like that, but it simply does not for a variety of reasons far outside of our individual control.
I am not trying to argue with liberals and this is why your instance is being defederated. I want to build a community of people that share my values and it is clear lemmy.world does not. I don’t think what you are saying is reasonable or true about the world and I definitely don’t agree about being a part of a nation. I swear no loyalty to any nation and I am against all oath taking. I do not think that a bot created by the American empire filled with algorithms I can never understand and that can be manipulated at any time without me knowing can ever be “good” or will ever protect me from “hostile nations”. I do not believe any nation represents my culture and I believe that nations only exist to exploit us and manipulate human endeavor to their own purposes. I do not live in either the nation I was conceived in or the nation I grew up in. People of my culture that believe they are represented by nations are called Zionists. They are fascists.
Like, I see what you’re trying to argue and I would love for the world to work like that
The world is what you make it. Some people though are so propagandized and live under such strict thought control they can’t even imagine anything different. The death of imagination is thought control. Because they can’t imagine anything else they will never work for anything meaningful or try anything different. This is why veganism will never work in a neoliberal society. Neoliberals are depressed and feckless, they would rather gaslight themselves then actually act so they will all live in the prison defined by their managing oligarchy until they die. Maybe every 4 years they exercise their political muscles by participating in elections which in imperial core are kayfabe WWE style productions of actual participatory government. This is really sad and tragic and the curse of liberals. I would feel bad for them but they are belittling, mean and then retaliatory. For example your “you understand that, right?” is belittling bullshit from someone I don’t respect and don’t want on my server. You are not the adult in the room.
I do not live in the same world as you, this is true. I make my own reality with my own community. Do you have the imagination to to understand that?
Thanks!
I still do not want bots doing any kind of bias check in which US point of views are considered neutral.
Having not paid much attention to the bits, I hadn’t thought of this. Thanks. Interestingly, the head world is Dutch IIRC.
but the rest of lemmy has lost interest to me personally.
Sad to hear and understandable I suppose. If I may ask … what is that’s lost you … a rampant US centric Reddit mainstream culture settling in without enough niche communities thriving?
What lost me is the non stop US politics and tacit support of wars and violence. I do not care about the US, its politics, or wars between corrupt neoliberal countries. Frankly it is annoying to see nothing but that on my feed while those same people down vote my posts and post about me on drama communities. I really don’t want to pay to host literal US propaganda coming from lemmy.world and be personally responsible for transmitting their perverse messaging.
The MBFC bot just lists that media outlets’ broad reputation and doesn’t use AI to fact check any specific article in any way.
It isn’t meant to fact check stuff that people post, but to make people think about the known bias of that media outlet.edited: Ok, I redact my statement and edited my post about this bot but not about the idea. I don’t think this is a valuable service. The real problem with lemmy.world is that it is pushing state propaganda, poorly gatekept and not in alignment with my values.
I still do not want any type of bots doing any kind of bias check in which US point of views are considered neutral. This is social media for humans so I want what is posted here to be about us and what we are doing. Pictures of our gardens, what we cooked, weedtime memes. Posting links to imperial propaganda that needs a bot which is ad supported to do critical thinking for you is out of scope of what I want from lemmy and what my few friends who are users on this server want. Use sh.itjust.works if you want everything, it is a great instance.
Me personally I am tired of lemmy but there is a sunk cost here instead of cancelling this server I am intentionally making it smaller and easier to manage so that my friend can take over. If it just ends up being my 15 discord friends and federation turned off that is fine too.
Yes, as I have seen the most carnist trolls and liberals comments originating from that instance.
That tracks. Fucking carnist trolls. Such a weird phenomenon to me. If you’re not vegan, just move along, it’s clearly not something you’re interested in. Feels a bit like closeted LGBTQ people becoming loud homophobes.
I already blocked that whole instance. Every post from there was getting annoying. It was all shit you’d see on Reddit constant barrage of American politics.
Smart move. Mercifully, I have never had to deal with the nonsense over there.
Although I never post here, I browse your content from time-to-time and you’re good folks. I appreciate your candid approach to cooking show-and-tell. Not every meal needs to be a YouTube thumbnail—a tasty bowl of slop is still tasty!
That’s unfortunate. I enjoy seeing the content. I understood .world to be pretty general when I left Reddit, not necessarily a vegan-hating type place.
I totally admit I don’t read comments to notice the hating you refer to, as I enjoy the exposure to the posts and photos, but it also looks like you generally don’t like Lemmy much and prefer Reddit:
Lemmy is bullshit and the people awful
https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/353815
Sorry to hear you’ve had such a poor experience.
Have multiple accounts! It’s the freedom of federation. Corporate media taught you to have one, because that was the easiest way they could monetise you. Take back control, maintain separate identities for separate activities!
Totally fair answer! I do have other accounts, though it’s less about corporate media influence and more about convenience / the mental obstacle of remembering to change accounts.
I guess I could bookmark each instance as it’s own PWA on my mobile, making it a bit easier. I guess it depends how bad one wants to get to the content! :-)
I don’t prefer reddit. I said at least reddit is free, I was paying for this and the problem is that people act like this is reddit with drama communities and pushing state propaganda.
Holy fuck someone said you like reddit hahahahahahahahahaha
I’m smoking weed about it.
I’ve been in lemmygrad this whole time and I love the peace of mind.
Good move love you
bravo !
Good. World is so far to the right its absurd.
This is the way!
Thank fuck for that.
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LemmyWorld is not worth the pain of having around.
