lemmy.world does not align with the values of this server and we will be disallowing federation in the near future. Please switch to another instance if you would like to maintain access.
lemmy.world does not align with the values of this server and we will be disallowing federation in the near future. Please switch to another instance if you would like to maintain access.
woah. I’m not on world, but I’m curious, if I may, why exactly the defederation? Do world users kinda brigade on here with anti-vegan BS? I may have noticed it I suppose, but maybe not specifically coming from world.
Well my instance has been defederated from them for ages because they’re an overwhelmingly fash-adjacent instance
Adjacent doing some huge heavy lifting there lol
What do you mean?
I think I chose the wrong English saying there. I mean it is just regular fash.
No you used it properly but not everybody knows that idiom :)
They actually defederated from us in advance before we even went live with it because they feared the power of our posts.
Ohhh, yeah, they were the ones that did that. I can’t remember now which one we were federated with for a while and then yeeted. Was it shitjustworks or did we never federate to begin with?
Yeah that was shitjustworks.
Yes, we are purging all neoliberal garbage from this server. Lemmy.world functions as a mouthpiece for state propaganda. There are too many users and its structure is bad for the fediverse as a whole. The drive by downvotes and trolls mostly seem to come from large generalist instances and this is social media for real people we are taking steps to protect ourselves and whatever community we can eek out.
To make it worse they are now running
a “AI” basedlazily programmed “bias check” bots. The US and its allies are not reputable thus having them run bias check databases is a joke. This, along with similar AI tools in my view is building the tools for totalitarianism and should not be tolerated. Using automation to lazily check sources using only billionaire funded media as “reputable sources” of truth is disgusting. Blocking the bot isn’t enough, I don’t want that at all. Anyone who is building these tools are the enemy of free people.I am assisting with some final cleanup here then I will pass the admin role and community stuff to a friend and be out. I will probably post my pics to this community but the rest of lemmy has lost interest to me personally.
edit removed AI based, I guess it is dumber than I thought. I still do not want bots doing any kind of bias check in which US point of views are considered neutral.
This is hilarious. Literally question-begging whatever the dominant narrative is, since the material the AI is trained on would surely support that.
I don’t think totalitarianism is a useful term even in real politics, but if you mean autocracy, the system of administrators handing down decisions is essentially already oligarchical. In any case, I do still agree it’s intolerable.
No I mean totalitarian in the mind control sense, in the way they accuse other societies of being. You can not break out of their narrative without severe negative and retaliatory action. The dominant oligarchy has a complete lock down on their media and government and the bounds of acceptable thought.
Really? I did not yet see that there. Only the media bias bot, which uses the Media Bias/Fact Check database, but afaik no AI
I thought the idea was that it uses the “AI” to summarize the articles posted then runs them across the database to check the facts and their sources. If it is dumber than that good, regardless I don’t want any Americans doing any fact checking. They are the least reputable and least trustworthy people in the world.
Good thing then that it does not do any fact checking if the posted articles
The bigger problem with lemmy.world is that it is state propaganda and I’m glad I will no longer be caching and distributing it on my web server.
Yes, I can see that
Sorry to hear
Thanks!
Having not paid much attention to the bits, I hadn’t thought of this. Thanks. Interestingly, the head world is Dutch IIRC.
Sad to hear and understandable I suppose. If I may ask … what is that’s lost you … a rampant US centric Reddit mainstream culture settling in without enough niche communities thriving?
What lost me is the non stop US politics and tacit support of wars and violence. I do not care about the US, its politics, or wars between corrupt neoliberal countries. Frankly it is annoying to see nothing but that on my feed while those same people down vote my posts and post about me on drama communities. I really don’t want to pay to host literal US propaganda coming from lemmy.world and be personally responsible for transmitting their perverse messaging.
I disagree towards the bots being the enemy of the free people. They’re just another tool, and can be both good and bad. Plus they’re likely needed when it comes to mass-scale disinformation campaigns like those launched by hostile foreign nations against countries in an effort to destabilize them. Much like veganism is far more nuanced than “eat salads”, I believe technology and social media is far more nuanced than you’re acknowledging.
All nations are hostile, especially the one developing the technology behind these bots. I am not a nation state and I have no enemies.
You live and are part of your nation and culture. The culture and life you’ve developed are in part, a part of your nation of origin. There are other nations that would be directly hostile to you regardless of your precieved association with your nation or not. You understand that, right? Like, I see what you’re trying to argue and I would love for the world to work like that, but it simply does not for a variety of reasons far outside of our individual control.
I am not trying to argue with liberals and this is why your instance is being defederated. I want to build a community of people that share my values and it is clear lemmy.world does not. I don’t think what you are saying is reasonable or true about the world and I definitely don’t agree about being a part of a nation. I swear no loyalty to any nation and I am against all oath taking. I do not think that a bot created by the American empire filled with algorithms I can never understand and that can be manipulated at any time without me knowing can ever be “good” or will ever protect me from “hostile nations”. I do not believe any nation represents my culture and I believe that nations only exist to exploit us and manipulate human endeavor to their own purposes. I do not live in either the nation I was conceived in or the nation I grew up in. People of my culture that believe they are represented by nations are called Zionists. They are fascists.
The world is what you make it. Some people though are so propagandized and live under such strict thought control they can’t even imagine anything different. The death of imagination is thought control. Because they can’t imagine anything else they will never work for anything meaningful or try anything different. This is why veganism will never work in a neoliberal society. Neoliberals are depressed and feckless, they would rather gaslight themselves then actually act so they will all live in the prison defined by their managing oligarchy until they die. Maybe every 4 years they exercise their political muscles by participating in elections which in imperial core are kayfabe WWE style productions of actual participatory government. This is really sad and tragic and the curse of liberals. I would feel bad for them but they are belittling, mean and then retaliatory. For example your “you understand that, right?” is belittling bullshit from someone I don’t respect and don’t want on my server. You are not the adult in the room.
I do not live in the same world as you, this is true. I make my own reality with my own community. Do you have the imagination to to understand that?
The MBFC bot just lists that media outlets’ broad reputation and doesn’t use AI to fact check any specific article in any way.
It isn’t meant to fact check stuff that people post, but to make people think about the known bias of that media outlet.
edited: Ok, I redact my statement and edited my post about this bot but not about the idea. I don’t think this is a valuable service. The real problem with lemmy.world is that it is pushing state propaganda, poorly gatekept and not in alignment with my values.
I still do not want any type of bots doing any kind of bias check in which US point of views are considered neutral. This is social media for humans so I want what is posted here to be about us and what we are doing. Pictures of our gardens, what we cooked, weedtime memes. Posting links to imperial propaganda that needs a bot which is ad supported to do critical thinking for you is out of scope of what I want from lemmy and what my few friends who are users on this server want. Use sh.itjust.works if you want everything, it is a great instance.
Me personally I am tired of lemmy but there is a sunk cost here instead of cancelling this server I am intentionally making it smaller and easier to manage so that my friend can take over. If it just ends up being my 15 discord friends and federation turned off that is fine too.
Yes, as I have seen the most carnist trolls and liberals comments originating from that instance.
That tracks. Fucking carnist trolls. Such a weird phenomenon to me. If you’re not vegan, just move along, it’s clearly not something you’re interested in. Feels a bit like closeted LGBTQ people becoming loud homophobes.