I wish my fellow leftists would realize that protests like these don’t work. We don’t further our cause by alienating ourselves from the political mainstream. We need to be concerned with the efficacy of our actions, not only the justification for them. Having good intentions is not enough, we also need effective strategies.
Yeah. Gaslighting and threatening concerned citizens protesting a live streamed genocide is totally acceptable
Well… I was wondering how long it would take you to go from posting anti-Biden articles to anti-Harris articles.
Looks like it only took a couple of weeks.
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It’s from a very reputable news source, NBC News. Many other outlets are covering it too. They did an entire segment with pundits discussing it on CNN. It’s still a big issue that can’t be swept under the rug
Here’s the CNN segment: https://youtu.be/jfyfdThTZ88
Yes, the story is fine. The way it is being spun by you and the original source you provided is not.
You don’t care that she spoke to the protesters before the rally began. You only care that she shut them down when they interrupted the rally.
Like getting angry with the weatherman for reporting on the rain.
Except no it isn’t because they were inundating us with anti-Biden posts before he stepped down. And as has been pointed out elsewhere in the comments, the article is deceptive.
If it’s raining a lot, they’re going to report on the rain a lot, too.
And by what metric is this article deceptive? Her speech was interrupted, and there are uncommitted voters concerned about her gaza policy. They even referenced the conversation they had with Harris before the rally:
Leaders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which supported voting “uncommitted” on Democratic primary ballots rather than voting for Biden, briefly spoke with Harris at the Detroit rally.
“Michigan voters want to support you, but we need a policy that will save lives in Gaza right now. I meet with community members every day in Michigan who are losing tens and hundreds of family members in Gaza. Right now, we need an arms embargo,” Layla Elabed, a co-founder of Uncommitted, told Harris, according to the group.
Y’all are just to traumatized to handle even the slightest political tension. This isn’t even necessarily a bad moment for Harris, it just alludes to some lingering disagreement between the base and leadership that has yet to be resolved, which is to be expected at this point.
Go touch some grass or something.
Yes. She spoke with them, but the article is suggesting she shouted down protesters without talking to them about their cause.
Which is deceptive.
Also, do you not find it odd that the big place this is being discussed is Elon Musk’s Nazi Twitter? Or is that not relevant?
She spoke with them, but the article is suggesting she shouted down protesters without talking to them about their cause.
Did you read the article? That’s not how they framed this situation at all. Here’s how they framed it:
Harris first acknowledged the protesters by borrowing a strategy President Joe Biden used earlier this cycle when pro-Palestinian demonstrators routinely interrupted his events, affirming the protesters’ right to voice their opinions while trying to redirect attention to the remarks.
“I’m here because we believe in democracy. Everyone’s voice matters,” she said. “But I am speaking now. I am speaking now.”
Harris famously told then-Vice President Mike Pence “I’m speaking” in cross-talk at a vice presidential debate during the 2020 election cycle.
As the protests continued, Harris’ tone grew more forceful.
I think that’s pretty fair. And the article explicitly says she spoke with them about their cause, wtf are you smoking?
Also, do you not find it odd that the big place this is being discussed is Elon Musk’s Nazi Twitter? Or is that not relevant?
I’m not on twitter, but this article makes no reference to twitter. Maybe you’re just seeped in political news and are projecting your overall vibes onto this particular article. I’ll again recommend touching some grass.
The article does not. The comments here are. Do you not find that odd?
Not particularly, where else are you going to find a 50 second clip of an hour-long speech?
It’s also being discussed here, but I suppose that’s inorganic since nobody here would be discussing something potentially negative about Harris unless a troll were to bring it up?
Maybe you’re right - maybe only trolls discuss the negative aspects of our politics; real Americans ignore the uncomfortable parts.
What this hack piece of news failed to report:
Before her rally in Detroit, Vice President Kamala Harris spoke briefly with the co-founders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which mobilized tens of thousands of voters in Michigan to withhold their votes from President Biden in the primary earlier this year over his support for Israel’s war in Gaza. Abbas Alawieh and Layla Elabed said they were in the welcoming line for Harris and Governor Walz, and communicated to Harris that they wanted to support her but that voters wanted her to consider an arms embargo to immediately stop the carnage in the besieged enclave.”
Harris listened to stories of people in Michigan who have had dozens of family members killed in Gaza. The leaders asked to meet with her about the embargo request, and she indicated she was open to it, and introduced the two leaders to her staff.
They kinda did tho:
Leaders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which supported voting “uncommitted” on Democratic primary ballots rather than voting for Biden, briefly spoke with Harris at the Detroit rally.
“Michigan voters want to support you, but we need a policy that will save lives in Gaza right now. I meet with community members every day in Michigan who are losing tens and hundreds of family members in Gaza. Right now, we need an arms embargo,” Layla Elabed, a co-founder of Uncommitted, told Harris, according to the group.
That’s fair, people are there to listen to Harris not whatever random audience members can shout the loudest.
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Took me too long to realize ozma is truly a concern troll. Rooting for Harris while shitting on Biden, now shitting on Harris like they didn’t endorse her just recently. Blocked.
“Genocide is bad, and I want to criticize those who stand by and let it happen.”
“Erm, concern trolling much?!”
If you look at other threads about the same news piece she had a meeting with the uncommitted about Gaza prior to her rally. Who’s ignoring who?
The person saying “Don’t publicly criticze me, I will agree behind doors where the press and public can’t see it. The public don’t need to see me make public statements that murder is bad.”
She’s quite vocal about her position on Gaza. What do you want her to do exactly? She can let these people shout all they want and this will help how?
And it’s better to tell them to shut up? Fuck your right to question the government?
Ok so she wouldn’t tell them to shut up and then what would happen?
Dude I’ve seen these people up close, all they do is shout. Even uncommitted are achieving more.
Politics is messy. It’s ok to criticize politicians. They’re not your friend. They work for us. Never said don’t vote for her. I’m saying she’s really going to lose some of the young vote she just gained back if she keeps it up. Also the uncommitted voters.
Here’s the clip: https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/1821344905278394400
I mean. If she wants to keep following what Biden was doing then Donald Trump will win. Maybe listen to the protestors once in a while, since they have the power to make or break your presidency. Not saying that what the protestors were doing wasn’t rude, but the point of protesting is to enact change so maybe make your policy clear and make sure it’s the right one.
This is trending now…
Trending on Musk network, spread by tankies.
How about this, which none of you propaganda bots failed to mention:
Before her rally in Detroit, Vice President Kamala Harris spoke briefly with the co-founders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which mobilized tens of thousands of voters in Michigan to withhold their votes from President Biden in the primary earlier this year over his support for Israel’s war in Gaza. Abbas Alawieh and Layla Elabed said they were in the welcoming line for Harris and Governor Walz, and communicated to Harris that they wanted to support her but that voters wanted her to consider an arms embargo to immediately stop the carnage in the besieged enclave.”
Harris listened to stories of people in Michigan who have had dozens of family members killed in Gaza. The leaders asked to meet with her about the embargo request, and she indicated she was open to it, and introduced the two leaders to her staff.
Wait, I know why you didn’t add that, because you don’t give a damn about Palestine.
The articles does actually mention that:
Leaders of the Uncommitted National Movement, which supported voting “uncommitted” on Democratic primary ballots rather than voting for Biden, briefly spoke with Harris at the Detroit rally.
“Michigan voters want to support you, but we need a policy that will save lives in Gaza right now. I meet with community members every day in Michigan who are losing tens and hundreds of family members in Gaza. Right now, we need an arms embargo,” Layla Elabed, a co-founder of Uncommitted, told Harris, according to the group.
Watch out, you’re going to piss off the neoliberals! Influx of bad arguments based on false dichotomies in 3…2…1…
This really says it all…
But the important thing here is that you now have a way to discourage people from voting for Harris just like you had a way to discourage people from voting for Biden.
Anything but stop the rapist dictator from marching all the Latino and queer people into camps.
Clearly criticism for a candidate has no other purpose than getting people to vote for their opponents.
/d
Oh wait, that’s actually true if you live in the United States, where you lot play politics like team sports.
Or… R2O spent months posting article after article about why people shouldn’t vote for Biden and is now doing it again with Harris. And not even really hiding it.
And I was 100% correct. I said they will replace him for months prior. Look what happened. Biden is out.
Still vote for Kamala/Walz but I’m saying if she keeps up this “clap back” shit against voters with valid concerns… she’ll lose battleground states. She needs every vote she can earn. She can’t afford to lose voters.
She spoke to them before she started her rally.
But somehow that doesn’t count to you.
Anything but stop the racist dictator from completely destroying gaza and slaughtering all the Muslim children, more like.
Why are we so quick to assume Harris will not listen to pro-palestinian protestors? She’s made some good decisions recently, maybe she’ll keep the good times rolling.
She did listen to them. She literally was talking to them before they interrupted her rally. She has been consistently critical of Netanyahu, far more than Joe Biden.
And suggesting we should not vote for Harris and allow a domestic genocide as if Trump would do anything to stop the Israeli genocide is just nonsense.
She did listen to them. She literally was talking to them before they interrupted her rally.
And that’s exactly what the article says.
And suggesting we should not vote for Harris and allow a domestic genocide as if Trump would do anything to stop the Israeli genocide is just nonsense.
Haven’t actually seen anyone make that argument as of yet. So far all I’ve seen is reminders that the Biden gaza policy was what started the push to replace him, and Harris has yet to make a definitive stance on the issue yet.
Well then maybe go up this comment chain, since you replied to me replying to an image posted by R2O which says everything needs to fall apart.
Do you think everything will fall apart if Harris is elected? Because I sure don’t.
Yep, and there’s not much we can do individually. My hope is that people will recognize this before it gets too bad. Most people are good, if given the chance.
Liberals are downvoting this post so hard. they don’t like talking about how Harris is just as establishment compatible as Biden is. and how she will carry on with his genocidal policies.
Vote Blue no matter have no morals
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Funny how liberals cry about propaganda when their immoral support of genocide is challenged. the 50 thousand or so dead in Gaza are but a fraction of atrocities commited by the US and the NATO countries all around the world.
Nah, it’s just all you tankies have. You’d be okay with everyone in the US suffering and you use Gaza as a silver bullet, despite it being one of many issues that we are voting on.
I’m also gonna go ahead and just preemptively block you. There’s no substance to this discussion and there never will be since nuance gets lost over the shrieks of whataboutism and doing nothing until we’re in a do-or-die election. Show me this support year round and vote locally and I might think you’re trying to help instead of acting like a bot trying to astroturf and make us hate Kamala.
So After calling me a Russian Bot now you are calling me a Tankie, what’s next an ISIS spokesperson ??
Nobody is supporting genocide. Constant idiotic claims such as that are why you get dogpiled for being a liar. You’re dishonestly spinning things to sow discord to help Trump win, which will also be much worse for Palestine
The democrats are 100% supporting genocide and anyone trying to sweep that under the rug is also supporting genocide. Trump is obviously not better for Palestinians but how much worse can it possible get? It’s genocide for fucks sake. The choice is between a quick death or an even faster death for the Palestinian people. In either case, they die! Supporting one over the other is not a choice at all. Both options here are unacceptable to anyone with any sense of moral clarity.
They’re in the honeymoon phase still. I really hope she beats Trump but damn, once she has to start talking off script and doing debates… yikes. It’s going to be rocky.
No I doubt it, just more of the same of people like you being angry she’s not perfect enough
The bar is “Don’t accept money from genociders to stay neutral or give arms to the genociders.”
Trump fails it 24/7, now Harris is.
Blocked.
