In a YouGov poll conducted between July 25-29, 59 percent of Republicans surveyed said they would prefer a president under the age of 75. Trump celebrated his 78th birthday in June. Forty percent said they had no preference, and just two percent said they would prefer a president over the age of 75.

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    Short of a major heart attack, Trump isn’t giving up one iota of power. Really helps to draw a contrast between the parties, where one guy is willing to step down and the other is prepared to crash the plane with us all in it.

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            They wouldn’t throw him in prison even if he could get there. They would put him on one of their propaganda “news” channels and let him go to town. They can subtitle whatever they want for the locals so he can say whatever.

            But he’ll never get there. He has a permanent secret service escort that probably isn’t going to be cool with defecting to russia.

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        I’m not so sure I agree that he will be held accountable for his actions if he doesn’t win. I think he still narrowly avoids prison even if he doesn’t win, or maybe only spends like 3 days maximum in prison, sadly.

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          I really don’t think his Supreme Court is going to allow him to have a custodial sentence. They showed they were fully on the Trump train by finding immunity in the constitution when it plainly reads otherwise.

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            It doesn’t seem like a real consequence. Also, what if he breaks it? Will there be a consequence for that? I don’t see it happening.

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            For most people, it would be a horrible punishment to be forced to spend your older years at one of his resorts*… surrounded exclusively by people who are happy to support him financially.

            *or maybe “resort”, anybody know if you can stay at any impeached ex-presidential resorts besides mar-AHHHH!!!-lago?

            lol:

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              i think the reason it’s considered a resort is because hes only allowed to stay there for like 30 days at a time, no longer. Since it’s not legally considered to be a “private residence” and that has something to do with it’s tax status i think? Which i think is also due to it’s zoning status.

              I believe this is pretty common amongst rich people who own multiple properties.

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              surrounded exclusively by people who are happy to support him financially.

              I think you greatly overestimate who would plan on sticking around if Trump ended up disgraced after the election and under house arrest. He will have completely outlived his usefulness.

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          He is not a healthy man, Trump will die before he’s held accountable for anything. He’s lived a long life of being a terrible person and the only consequence he’ll face for it is the stress of court cases through his final years and the knowledge that only 40ish% of voters would vote for him again.

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            Nah, the miracle of modern medicine with being able to afford the best doctors in the world will keep him for many years to come.

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        I think it’s because he knows that if he is elected he’ll be President until old age and unhealthy living kill him, whether that’s two years from now or twenty.

        “You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians,” he said.

        And who knows what the remaining government of Trumpistan will choose to do for his replacement after that.

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      “Yes, because our guy is TOUGH who sees things THROUGH!”

      • MAGA asshats, probably
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      Was Biden not stubbornly refusing to step down for so long, until his party forced his hand? I think Democrats wanted someone younger than him in 2020 too. I think we’re giving Biden too much credit here.

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        You can bet that at least the last week of that was a matter of keeping up appearances. The transition went smoother than it had any right to, and that doesn’t happen without a lot of behind the scenes planning.

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          Must’ve been a supervetted group who knew anything if reports are true some close aides were told minutes before the official announcement.

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        We must remember that Biden is a politician who arguably plagiarised lines of a speech from Kinnock, sinking his '87 campaign.

        He’s not some paragon of virtue and perfection.

        His greatest achievement is also working with the Republicans. And look at how much respect that got him from that party.

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          dude i think every politican ever has plagiarized a speech. Even fucking trump, although i think it was ivanka? Idk, she stole michelle obamas speech iirc.

          Also 87 was literally 35+ years ago.

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            Okay, so we can’t judge Biden on reasonable standards, or what he did when he was being a politician in the past. Got it.

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              yeah and 35+ years ago hating gay people was normal, i dont think gay marraige was legalized, the queer community quite literally did not exist in the capacity it does now.

              Women certainly didn’t have the same rights they do now, the 80s was only 20 years post civil rights act, should i keep going?

              Would you like me to criticize you for things you did when you were 10? Because that’s essentially what you’re arguing here.

              It’s fair to criticize biden for the 93 crime bill, in retrospect, and in vacuum. It’s unfair to say that biden is the worst president in the world because he made a bad crime bill once over 20 years ago.

              90’s america was going through one of if not the worst violent crime spurs in a long time during the 90s. You simply can’t correlate the two of them.

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                Would you like me to criticize you for things you did when you were 10? Because that’s essentially what you’re arguing here.

                Would you like to say that a politician in his 40s has the same lack of responsibility as a child?

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                  go ask any 80 year old whether they were doing the same thing in their 40s as they are now in their 80s. Go ask them if they feel like the same person, go ask them if they feel like they’ve changed at all.

                  the point was quite literally me just arguing HOW much can change in a period of even 20 years, let alone 30 or 40 years. Childhood to 20 is a relatively small, but significant jump, similar to 40-80

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      Willing to step down is giving him too much credit. He was pushed out because Dems know he’ll lose. The parties are the same. It’s just business. They don’t love or care about you.

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          Yeah like how convince people to resign after doing something terrible. It wasn’t Biden’s idea. You didn’t hear all the stuff he was saying after the debate? Come on

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            It’s almost like he had the self awareness to change his mind when presented with compelling, new information.

            It’s what mature adults do

            If you think the only way any adult can change their mind is if they’re forced to, it speaks more of you than them.

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              The new and compelling information was that they wanted his ass out.

              Damn. You Biden’s #1 fan. And think so highly of politicians. It’s business. People don’t want to lose money and power. Biden isn’t immune to this.

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                Yes it was. Gold star for you.

                I must be his #1 fan because reasons.

                Have an ice cream cone or something man. It’ll help that attitude.

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                  I knew it. You’re in love with him. You wanna share a cone with him and accidentally (but actually purposefully) go for the last lick together, pause and look into each other’s eyes bashfully, then proceed to make out. So obvious that’s what you wanna do.

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            59% of Republicans want someone younger than Trump as president.

            Republicans also don’t want Trump to step down.

            At least they’re consistent in not knowing what they want.

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              That’s one from one survey. And even so, that doesn’t mean that’s gonna sway them away from not voting for the guy. They’d still vote. People wouldn’t vote for Biden so Dems had to change. That’s a big difference.

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      one guy is willing to step down

      81 year old man dogpilled by his party during a possibly fatal respiratory illness.

      Don’t give Biden too much credit here.

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      False. Biden wasn’t willing to step down. He was forced to. Just because he did it doesn’t make him a hero. He deserves to be remembered for refusing to listen to feedback until it was clear he’d be tanked by people like Pelosi, another Dem who won’t give up power unless it’s on her own terms. But we can move on from that mess, thankfully.

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        He was forced to, how? Nobody has the power to force him do anything.

        He read the writing on the wall and stepped aside. Something Trump would never do.

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          I agree Trump would never step aside. I’m just saying Biden was put in a position where the support he needed wasn’t there and they made it clear to him. He still could have run, but he was made to understand that he’d lose because he wouldn’t have the backers he needed. Look at the cash KH is raking in. The right people let him know they wanted her / anyone else instead.

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        He was pressured to step down and then was ultimately willing to listen and do so. There was no method to force him to step down – he had more than enough delegates locked in to win the nomination if he wanted to keep going.

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        Or he made sure to stand strong strategically (as anyone running would do) and stepped down at a time to maximize effectiveness.

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          Giving an incredible amount of credit where there’s no evidence. Our politicians / politics aren’t terribly complicated. There are people who want power and they act accordingly. And there are people who want to do some good. They might be the rare case where they don’t get corrupted (Bernie). And then the rest gradually learn to live within the system and perpetuate it (possibly AOC; can’t tell for sure, but it seems more like it as time passes).

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          No, he was planning to run again. His debate performance was the nail in the coffin.

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        i mean, he rightly, i think did what was expected. The incumbency advantage over someone like trump, especially with having pushed SO much productive legislation is a really safe bet, was it safe enough to win? Maybe?

        I don’t think people were expecting everyone to be super excited over kamala, until she showed up and started kicking ass.

        up until that one debate, he was doing pretty ok. Not great, but not terrible enough to warrant completely removing him, which was why the DNC waited to nominate.