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    I dunno, why bring up the Nazis as though they had popular ideas?

    i didn’t and i’ve already clarified that?

    i’m not sure what more there is to say on this

    What parts of Marxism do you want to chop off?

    if you’re referring to everything then that would include stuff like das kapital which i don’t think you can reasonably refer to as “easy to understand”

    “philosophical grounding in Dialectical and Historical Materialism” also seems like it would be a fairly hard thing for the average person to understand

    also, marx didn’t invent communism, so to say communism is contained within marxism is incorrect

    the opening of the communist manifesto literally references the fact that european powers were already trying to “exorcise” the idea from the continent at the time

    Yes, people generally don’t agree with the ideas posed by Nazism.

    nazism proposed pre-natal scanning and graduate family planning stimulus? that’s news to me

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      if you’re referring to everything then that would include stuff like das kapital which i don’t think you can reasonably refer to as “easy to understand”

      “philosophical grounding in Dialectical and Historical Materialism” also seems like it would be a fairly hard thing for the average person to understand

      also, marx didn’t invent communism, so to say communism is contained within marxism is incorrect

      the opening of the communist manifesto literally references the fact that european powers were already trying to “exorcise” the idea from the continent at the time

      All of these are fairly straightforward and easy to understand, it just takes a while to get into the nitty gritty. Marx did not invent Communism, but Communism is core to Marxism.

      nazism proposed pre-natal scanning and graduate family planning stimulus? that’s news to me

      Ah, “the trains ran on time.” We both know that’s not Nazism.

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        All of these are fairly straightforward and easy to understand, it just takes a while to get into the nitty gritty

        i feel like everything’s “easy to understand” if you assume infinite time to explain it, but for the sake of argument, let’s agree that these in fact “easy to understand”

        in which case, the ideas behind pre-natal scanning and graduate family stimulus are also easy to understand, so we haven’t really moved anywhere.

        this post still doesn’t make any case for marxist ideals being sound other than “people like them when they hear them without the label”. which i’m arguing (via the use of the provided two examples) is also true for eugenics.

        and if “people like the ideas when they hear them without the label” is justification for ideas being good, then eugenics must be good, but we know eugenics isn’t good, so it’s not a good justification

        so the post doesn’t make a good argument for marxism being good

        and we already know the post is attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good, because you already acknowledged it’s making the case that “people have a negative connotations about marxism”, and combined with the point about nazis from earlier you enjoyed so much, that’s sufficient to show that it’s attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good

        Ah, “the trains ran on time.” We both know that’s not Nazism.

        what are you talking about? why are you trying to bring nazis into everything now?

        (also, “trains ran on time” is mussolini, who was a fascist, not a nazi)