DuckDuckGo, Bing, Mojeek, and other search engines are not returning full Reddit results any more.

  • TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
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    2 months ago

    A lot of Fediverse admins are just normal people like you and me with a budget, and disallowing bots and spiders helps save bandwidth, and the budget.

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      2 months ago

      Could it be possible to have one major global instance that aggregates everything so it can be indexed by search engines? Would that work? Or do I not fully understand how federation works?

      • wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        That would defeat the purpose of federation.

        It becomes a central choke point of moderation. Who gets to decide what instances are part of global and which ones aren’t. Because a free for all isn’t going to end well. And then you’re back at Reddit.

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          I wonder if you could have an instance federated to every other instance just for archived purposes, to save the data on every other instance’s post and comment. Because copies of posts and comments are saved to federated instances, too, right? Or do I understand the tech wrong?

          So it could have an admin team but no users, to prevent people worried about spammers and bots joining that instance to get around defederation rules. Maybe it just has a bot that crawls Lemmy, looking for instances to federate to. Could that work?

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          Right, but having a centralised search index thingy is better than none at all. Maybe there could be something where it’s a joint effort from admins from many of the biggest servers, idk if that would work.

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        Lemmy search already is quite excellent… at least here on lemm.ee, we don’t have many communities but tons of users subscribed to probably about everything on the lemmyverse so the servers have it all.

        It might be interesting to team up with something like YaCy: Instances could operate as YaCy peers for everything they have. That is, integrate a p2p search protocol into ActivityPub itself so that also smaller instances can find everything. Ordinary YaCy instances, doing mostly web crawling, can in turn use posts here as interesting starting points.

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      2 months ago

      I was worrying about precisely this. I’d be ok with blocking search engines if there was a better way of searching but AFAICT there isn’t federated search of any kind?

      • thejml@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Any data transit costs money. Both in the data transit itself and in the increased server resources to respond to the web queries in the first place.

        • chrischryse@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Ah that makes sense not really familiar iwth this stuff so didn’t think it’s that intensive lol

      • darkkite
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        2 months ago

        bots take resources to serve just like any regular user