• Orbituary@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I love seeing everyone try to reason their way out of accepting a polite request that literally says that it’s not mandatory.

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      The only one I really would avoid is passing things between or touching chopsticks together. This is reminiscent of Japanese funeral rituals and thus considered rude to do at the table.

      The others are more about common sense and trying to help you enjoy the sushi as the chef intended:

      • They are bite-sized pieces, designed as a flavour combination, so don’t break them up in any way
      • If you don’t want rice, sashimi is a good way to get that
      • Putting too much soy sauce on the rice can make it fall apart
      • (real) Wasabi is delicate and mixing it with soy sauce will certainly destroy its subtle flavour. In any case in a high-end place the sushi chef will have added everything that’s intended as part of the flavour combination before serving the sushi, so adding stuff is not necessary

      But again, these are suggestions. Enjoy the sushi how you like, you’re not hurting anyone.

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        I was taught to pass food with the back end of the chopsticks, not the part that goes in your mouth. Is that your understanding as well?

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          Generally, if you want to pass food to someone, put it on a plate so they can pick it up themselves.

          The only reason to use the back of the chopsticks, is if there is a shared plate of food in the center without a separate set of serving chopsticks. Taking from the shared plate with chopsticks that have been in your mouth could be considered unhygienic. You can use the back of the chopsticks to move the food to your own plate, then eat it.

          However this is more like advanced etiquette and not a crucial rule, in my opinion. The only really bad things to avoid are sticking your chopsticks upright into rice and passing food between chopsticks.

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            5 months ago

            Wait, you don’t pick it off the leaf on the person, and put it directly in your friend’s mouth?

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              No, but I prechew it for them for easy digestion. Its a courtesy in my culture.

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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        well put. and I’d add: support your local talent.

        Seattle’s best bang-for-the-buck experience hands down, Shiki, in lower queen anne. One of the few places certified to server Fugu, but even if you don’t go for the exotic stuff, an amazing spot.

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        You still add Wasabi and soy sauce before eating though.

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          Both? I always do one or another. It’s nice variety too, if you have an entire roll of the same thing.

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      Now in fairness we dont know how high end this Sushi place is, if its a place where your paying for the experience its more understandable but It does read a little bit passive agressive.

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      Yep. To turn the tables, is anyone going to stop you if you order a well-done steak and douse it in ketchup? Probably not unless you’re at a very high end establishment, but will it come off as uncultured, rude to the chef and raise a few eyebrows? You bet.

      Likewise, there are Italian places where they will outright refuse to cut your pizza for you or to put parmesan on seafood pasta. British high tea is loaded with rules for serving and consumption order. Lots of cultures have these rules and expectations.

      This is a helpful guide to general politeness and etiquette in a culture that highly prizes those things. It’s meant to be helpful to those who care. Why people are shitting on it as some show of defiance is beyond me and comes off childish as all hell.

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    I always find such guidelines strange. Like I get the intention is to share some experience, but I rarely find the intended way of anything enjoyable at all. Even western traditional etiquette is weird. I shall hold the fork in my right hand and you can’t stop me aunty! My tea shall be hot juice! And my side shall be mixed with the sauce and meat into a big ol pile before consumption!

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      I switch my knife and fork as I need to use them, knife in right hand when I need to cut and fork in right hand to eat, that’s all I know how to do 🤷

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        This one is hilarious to me. Let’s get you a spork

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          I mean I can use the fork in my left hand to help cut something with my knife in the right hand but lifting to my mouth? Nope brain no work

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        I do that too and I couldn’t properly cut anything with the knife on my left hand if my life depended on it lol. It’s interesting that I don’t think anyone taught me to switch, I just instinctively did that and they rolled with it.

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      That’s not usually the case in a high-end sushi place. The chef will prepare your orders one by one and serve them out as soon as each is completed, so you will get one piece at a time.

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      I too am looking for the answer to this. Like are you supposed to eat the entire roll in 30 seconds? You’re not even tasting it at that point. I’m hoping 30 seconds per piece.

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        The guide is probably specific to nigiri sushi, that’s what is depicted at least. As the other commenter mentioned: in high end sushi restaurants, the chef will serve you individual pieces of nigiri sushi as you order them, so 30 seconds seems like a reasonable time limit in that context.

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      Of course, the one that you make.

      But if you are going to have it from a chef who says so at their restaurant, show some respect to their culture or else spend your money elsewhere.

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        It’s my food. I bought it.

        You don’t even know what my ethnicity is, don’t assume

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            If this disrespects your culture you have a fragile ass stupid culture that should be made fun of.

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              Or, a culture that values respect over individualism. To each their own, but to me willingly eating food wrong to belittle a culture isn’t “fun”, it’s just stupid and rude.

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          They are offering you a service and they follow a certain etiquette to have it, which is part of the service. If you can’t follow it, don’t be a customer.

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            If the business is going to belittle me cause I like soy sauce with my sushi or eat it in two bites then rest assured they will not be earning my business regardless.

            This stuff gets posted for white people to pretend they are virtuous over. We are laughing at you.

            What if I said you would be disrespectful of american culture if you ate a burger or steak wrong? You would probably laugh because that would be insane.

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              You are assuming my ethnicity wrong, but I’ll go with it.

              If I go to a restaurant where they specifically say it is disrespectful to eat something in a certain way, I would respect that. Or if I don’t agree with it, I won’t have food at their restaurant.

              But I won’t go to the restaurant just to prove their way of eating is wrong. That is where your dumb attitude comes in. You are basically the equivalent of wearing clown clothes to a funeral just because you don’t agree with the etiquettes.

              Learn to live among people, or live in your hole.

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                Don’t disparage the noble profession of the humble clown. It’s a worthy skill and no other artist is diminished in that way. To do so is to disrespect the culture of Greek and Roman from which the clown originated. These people are likely much more highly trained and skilled than you are. Or even I am.

                Honk

                Kind of funny that of course you go off about respect for other cultures when it comes to soy sauce on sushi but then turn around and denigrate an entire theater culture of two ancient peoples.

                You’re the bigot.

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                  Ok. I see now, you are just talking crap with intentional misinterpretation just for the sake of argument.

                  I’m glad that you understood my point though, otherwise you won’t take this stupid tangent. Try to apply it in life.

                  This is my last comment on this. Have a nice day.

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    Nobody mixes wasabi with soy sauce. They mix horseradish paste that’s dyed green with soy sauce, because real wasabi is prohibitively expensive and most people have never actually had it, myself included.

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      That’s basically how I’m reading this. And I follow that rule quite well.

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    I have never seen a sign saying I shouldn’t cut spaghetti, shouldn’t order pizza Hawaii, must split the potato with a fork, must have the knife in my right hand, or that the different cutlery for side dishes are mandatory.

    Might be different in a high class restaurant, but whatever.

    The only things signs in restaurants tell me is either “we only serve real meat, pussies can beat it” and “we did indeed pass the last inspection, here’s the grossest looking cartoon implying we shouldn’t have”.

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      None of this is mandatory, the sign says so. They’re social norms, not legal rules. It’s just saying “this is how this food is consumed in its original country, and breaking these norms may result in inadvertently offending someone or embarrassing yourself”, which might be something you’d like to know if you plan to travel to that country, or simply to try experiencing it in the traditional way - after all, most social norms have a hidden logical reason. Many of these exist simply to avoid making a mess.

      You’re free to eat however you want, however some cultures do place a lot of significance on food and how it is consumed. People in Italy will lose some respect for you if you try to order a Hawaii pizza, put ketchup on pasta, or use a knife improperly. The same goes for Japan and many other places. You’ll still be served and probably treated with superficial kindness, it just depends on how much weight you put on your experience vs that of others.

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        I have read the sign, yes, but you have to agree that a sign saying these are big taboos and that it is seen as an offense to Japanese culture and to the chef if I broke them makes it seem like I will be blacklisted and kicked out.

        What I didn’t know was where exactly the restaurant is, the people in Italy can after all think whatever they want when the Italian chef is in Sri Lanka and happy to acclimate to local customs.

        So anyways, the restaurant is probably “Sushi Kisen” in California, it seems to be a high class one. Given that I am probably expected to identify a salad fork in an equivalent french restaurant, and I don’t sit in front of the chef in that one. They probably in a position to make these demands of their customers.

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      But yes, you’re supposed to flip the nigiri 90+ degrees when dunking. It’s why I usually just stick to the sashimi. 9/10 chance I drop the chunk in the sauce. Can’t go wrong with that.

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      It’s actually culturally appropriate to eat sushi with your hands if you want, making the turn over dipping easier. The only reason they say not to dip the rice side is the worry that it’ll soak up too much soy sauce and the fish flavor will be overpowered. But it’s not that big a deal.

      The passing food from one set of chopsticks to another is pretty strictly avoided in Japan though. They pass bones like that as part of funerary rites so it’s pretty closely wired into Japanese people as a cultural taboo.

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      Yea I was like WTF. I went to Japan for work for several months and when the guys at Yokohama office took me eating sushi that’s what they did.

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    Yeah I don’t believe most of these are real “big taboos” and will continue eating food the way it is most tasty to do, regardless, thanks.

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    Unless you hand me a soy sauce pipette i’ll just dip the rice part in the soy sauce, thank you very much.

    And wtf is tiny tiny rice?

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      I think the tiny tiny rice is just sushi with very little rice. You can just see a smaller ball of rice under the fish bit.

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        Sashimi is usually just fish without rice. Sometimes rice is served as a side. I think it is meant for people that order Nigiri with little rice. They should just order Sashimi.

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    And why not chew it off? Is it like in church where you’re not supposed to nibble your consecrated wafer?

    I agree with the other things, though. And I feel like I’m supposed to repost the old “The Japanese Tradition” video on sushi: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bDL8yu34fz0 It’s awesome. (And since satire doesn’t always translate on the internet: It’s a spoof.)

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      Sushi is supposed to be bite-sized. In my experience this is not always the case in practice, but the idea is that you should just pop the whole thing in your mouth.

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      And why not chew it off?

      Last time I had sushi (about a week ago), I tried a place I’d never tried before. I ordered some sashimi and they were huge. If I’d eaten those in one bite each, it would have been like that game “chubby bunny”. But then again I don’t really know how authentic this particular sushi place was. Tasted great, though.

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      I want to say it’s some reason a long the lines of “it was masterfully creafted in such a way that the only best experience is to eat the whole thing at once, and to do otherwise is to insinuate a lack of respect”, with the disclaimer that I don’t actually know if that’s what it is.

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        I think a good display of respect and that you enjoyed something, is to finish your plate. But that doesn’t mean you got to swallow everything at once?!

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          As I understand it, sushi in this context is specifically made to be a single bite.

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            Yeah I was confused by that part, too. I have always eaten sushi in a few bites. Maybe I’m a big pale skinned dickhead.

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              When getting sushi in the US it’s not uncommon to get, at least in my opinion, non bite sized pieces. Like the super deluxe roll with 15 things in it isn’t going to be bite sized. However, I don’t believe that’s typical when getting sushi in Japan.

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            You’re probably right. I think the form factor is mainly due to sushi being finger food. And Japanese people seem to like bite-sized food anyways. I mean they don’t hand you a knife in the first place so there wouldn’t be any way to cut your food even if you wanted.

            I’m not an expert on sushi either. And I wonder if it really has a long tradition of how it’s supposed to be done. I suppose what we deem authentic are relatively new inventions. Like conveyor-belt restaurants aren’t from the 18hundreds. And they certainly didn’t eat raw salmon before refrigerators were commonplace.

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