An entire community based on hate for the only company with a true alternative to chromium and Google-centric web, and with history of pro-privacy anti-DRM fight is absurd. Of course there are issue with an entire company, but this seems just unfair
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You can’t fight big-evil-corp by yourself, you need cooperation, activists and associations (like amnesty, EFF, etc.). Mozilla was the only company against DRM in w3c, AFAIK, and tried to fight it. Then of course at the end they lost, but for a long time they try to prevent it.
The “funded by Google” is not true, even if they receive a lot of money from Google for keeping their search engine the default one: at this time there is no other way to earn that much money, and even if “funded” is usually used like a synonymous for “corrupted” this is not the case. Mozilla needs money, yes, because engineering and maintaining a completely independent browser based on gecko-view (even not considering his other services) needs too much money in this age. They can’t simply drop Google money, even if this is one of their biggest compromise.
There are A LOT of things Mozilla should do better, like investing more on their android browser, improving their social and media managing, give users more and simple choices, find a way to change their business model… but there are no simple solutions to those things, and at this time Mozilla remain one of the (if not the only) company that can fight chromium/Google monopoly, and is in general trustable, even if deeply flawed by a lot of compromises and a lot of errors in this 20+ years. Keep pointing every one single misstep (like the one in this post), even if small or involuntary without understanding the way today’s market sadly works it’s not healthy and not advisable in the short or long term.
Sorry for errors, English is not my first language and I’m not really used to write so much in English
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Yes, making gecko embeddable would be great, at least would stimulate real forks and not only “personalized” versions like librefox
View pointers.
- No one spreads hate here. It would also against code of conduct. Admin here is a bit harsh with the description, but it is his opinion.
- No need to defend or argue here, take as-is.
- You already down-voted. How about staying on topic, instead you defend, saying it is unfair. I say it is fair.
- This is serious and not absurd.
How is spreading information, legitimate one unfair, we all need to deal with criticism. People criticizing Chrome, Brave, Vivaldi, Firefox is not an exception. Especially if it is wrongfully advertised in basically every sub as - privacy friendly and respecting.
By default, what most people use, Mozilla Firefox purely sucks, you can cry all day long about this, will not change a thing.
Have a good one.
I do not understand your point(s). The way the article and headline is set up is misleading.
i) the issue is in the public bugtracker and it is very transparent what is affected and what data it is
ii) it is unintentional (if you do not assume malice)
iii) it seems very rare
Thus, the way it is presented here is not fair. “Respecting privacy” is never binary so you would need context (e.g, compare with other browser-how much data is collected?).
Firefox does not suck (I would say that about egde, chrome and brave). It is fast, not too heavy on RAM, has good adblockers and the UI is great (with small tweaks - buttons are too large for my taste, but this is a general trend of touchscreen friendlyness and overall rise in obesity).
Cheers.
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- Title is not misleading.
- Transparency in a discussion platform has nothing to do with what happend here. It does not matter if you leak data and then apologize afterwards, the damage is done and shows once again that trackers, telemetry and such things belong into no software. This is well-known. I said that 20 years ago, if Mozilla wants to introduce studies and telemetry they should do that in beta or test builds. What Mozilla did instead was, because of people trying to remove telemetry and disable it by default they restricted about config so that it is much harder to beginners to change specific things, claiming this was done because questionable reason such as people could do damage with it. They basically restrict and prevented, or tried to, people to change the Browser how they want, that happened afterwards because people disliked xyz and then tried to - optimize - it.
- Mozilla has history of incidents bigger than Chrome, there is nothing to argue about. This is just another one and the next will come. What Mozilla claims afterwards with their unprofessional statement about the percentage is irrelevant because no one can reveal the truth here.
- Leaking user data is binary, you leak or you do not leak. End of story.
- Firefox suck big time regarding privacy, security and the claims Mozilla does are already all debunked. There are lots of articles from the competition, researchers, experts clearly saying that Mozilla is worst - by default - with default settings compared to all other Browsers. Maybe similar like Chrome vanilla. There is nothing to argue here, I already presented all of these research on my Twitter among other platforms.
- GUI is subjective and not what the topic here is about. THIS would not be binary, and reflects taste.
Bugs are bugs and transparency matters IMO.
There is some level of compromise. Are there (usable) browsers that do not track you? They all do to some degree (even simple usage stats to guide development). The question is how much they track and with whom the data is shared.
AFAIK telemetry can easily be disabled in FF. Not sure what “debunking” you are refering to - I will not go to twittr to check (side note: seems bit ridiculous to talk about privacy/tracking/etc. and tweet at the same time…).
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See the problem friend. No one gives a 💩 what they say afterwards. Trust is gone. Telemetry cannot be easily be disabled, even if you go trough about config there are some flags that are not be able to easily switch on and off. Mozilla does that for a reason. Maybe actually check your Browser. Mozilla made it much harder for everyone to simply opt-out of everything.
What are you trying to say? You want to talk about trust issues?
Learn how to concisly respond to the initial points instead of furiosly copy-pasting walls of text.
Peace out.
Maybe learn to get some own new ideas friend and not re-spell some BS you find on the internet.
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Gotcha.
I would just rephrase - everything Mozilla does is wrong - to - Mozilla made poor judgment calls in the past, which was the reason I created this community.
