No, I don’t know that. Even western media admits that Putin has over 80% support. Meanwhile, using a war as an excuse for a regime holding on to power without a mandate is not democracy. If people of Ukraine wanted to fight the invasion then they’d vote Zelensky back in. It’s that simple.
No, “western” media reports that Putin got more than 80% of the votes in an election that was obviously rigged. Holding democratic elections is anything but simple and in a country fighting an invasion it’s practically impossible.
The Putler puppets at The Time seem to be reporting this, but do go on. 🤡
Meanwhile, you’ll have to explain to us all why holding democratic elections in a country fighting an invasion is practically impossible. Presumably, if the government had popular support for fighting, then it would win by a landslide. The only thing that makes impossible is the fact that people don’t actually want to fight, and the government is a western puppet regime that’s sacrificing people of Ukraine to serve western interests. This is why they literally kidnap people off the street, which is some more ruzzian propaganda reported by NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
My habit is to point when western media twists the truth because it has obvious biases. The fact that the media in the west has been saying how Russian army is collapsing for the past two years, and it’s now starting to admit that the opposite is the case is just one example. I’ve been saying the same thing consistently for the past two years, and I’m proven right by the facts on the ground time and again. If you consider engaging with reality as Russian shilling then what else is there to say to you.
The only people doing seething and coping here are the ones who are screeching about people shilling for Russia whenever forced to reconcile their fantasies with reality.
Would that be the same 20% of Ukraine that was in civil war with the rest of Ukraine after the coup in 2014 by any chance? Meanwhile, even western media admits that Putin has massive popular support https://time.com/6977473/putin-opposition-movement-unity/
Russia did hold elections and is “liberal democratic” but Russia has hardly been turned into a warzone in the same way. There are probably other examples worth citing.
But there are some logistical difficulties involved in holding an election in a country currently being invaded, especially with the invasion being broadly successful.
The state is functional in non occupied territories, so organising elections, something that have tried and tested procedures should be doable pretty easily. If anything, single look at previous elections map means that, even without banning opposition, territories most supportive for the government and Ukraine are still in and separatists and opposition are out, so it should be a landslide victory (especially that opposition is banned).
That seems like a pretty weak excuse for cancelling the election, especially given that it would effectively be a referendum on whether to continue the war or not.
Last I checked, Russia held elections, but I guess cancelling the elections aligns closer with western values.
No, I don’t know that. Even western media admits that Putin has over 80% support. Meanwhile, using a war as an excuse for a regime holding on to power without a mandate is not democracy. If people of Ukraine wanted to fight the invasion then they’d vote Zelensky back in. It’s that simple.
No, “western” media reports that Putin got more than 80% of the votes in an election that was obviously rigged. Holding democratic elections is anything but simple and in a country fighting an invasion it’s practically impossible.
The Putler puppets at The Time seem to be reporting this, but do go on. 🤡
Meanwhile, you’ll have to explain to us all why holding democratic elections in a country fighting an invasion is practically impossible. Presumably, if the government had popular support for fighting, then it would win by a landslide. The only thing that makes impossible is the fact that people don’t actually want to fight, and the government is a western puppet regime that’s sacrificing people of Ukraine to serve western interests. This is why they literally kidnap people off the street, which is some more ruzzian propaganda reported by NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html
It’s so funny to read ya from Russia. The lack of research is showing.
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It compliments my style, not my point. I’ve explicitly chosen that so some people can embarass themselves with taking a low hanging fruit (:
Nah, it matches your rhetoric perfectly. The only part embarrassing here is that you’re oblivious to that fact. (:
I love how western media lies until it backs you up.
Please do enlighten us what reason you imagine western media has to lie about this. Should be good.
I’m not saying they are or they aren’t.
I’m pointing out your habit of saying Western Media™ is lying, until it supports one of your talking points.
You’ve been posting a lot of reasonable stuff lately, but now here you are shilling for Russia again.
My habit is to point when western media twists the truth because it has obvious biases. The fact that the media in the west has been saying how Russian army is collapsing for the past two years, and it’s now starting to admit that the opposite is the case is just one example. I’ve been saying the same thing consistently for the past two years, and I’m proven right by the facts on the ground time and again. If you consider engaging with reality as Russian shilling then what else is there to say to you.
Seeth and cope, little buddy.
The only people doing seething and coping here are the ones who are screeching about people shilling for Russia whenever forced to reconcile their fantasies with reality.
20% of Ukraine is currently occupied by a hostile foreign power. 0% of Russia is occupied.
Also, Russian elections give whatever results Putin wants, so the status of the electorate doesn’t really matter in the first place there.
That 20% has been liberated from the fascists Ukrainian state that was trying to ethnically cleanse it. They want no part in its elections.
Would that be the same 20% of Ukraine that was in civil war with the rest of Ukraine after the coup in 2014 by any chance? Meanwhile, even western media admits that Putin has massive popular support https://time.com/6977473/putin-opposition-movement-unity/
Russia did hold elections and is “liberal democratic” but Russia has hardly been turned into a warzone in the same way. There are probably other examples worth citing.
The point here is that if fighting Russia was a popular opinion in Ukraine, then the government would win by a landslide.
But there are some logistical difficulties involved in holding an election in a country currently being invaded, especially with the invasion being broadly successful.
The state is functional in non occupied territories, so organising elections, something that have tried and tested procedures should be doable pretty easily. If anything, single look at previous elections map means that, even without banning opposition, territories most supportive for the government and Ukraine are still in and separatists and opposition are out, so it should be a landslide victory (especially that opposition is banned).
lincoln managed to hold and win an election while half the US was under control of slavers.
the slavers of course did not hold elections.
hmm hmm. all this in the 19th century, with 19th century logistics.
anyway, ukraine cant hold elections clearly.
That seems like a pretty weak excuse for cancelling the election, especially given that it would effectively be a referendum on whether to continue the war or not.