Ah, yes, testing drugs pre-animal trial on the poor and disenfranchised sound so much better, truly the end of a dystopia
Edit: Not to mention, the meat industry produces despair of the same level while being entirely superfluous (something animal testing, unfortunately, is not) and on a scale which would be an ocean compared to the drop that is animal testing
That’s already basically what we do, lots of homeless folks do drug trials for money. And there are tons of super risky jobs people do because they pay well. But it’s not good, it should be that people do all those things for reasons other than their only options being that or poverty
This being your only option would be poverty, not an alternative to it. And highly dangerous jobs aren’t comparison here, testing drugs before animal testing is is no way a level of danger comparable to being a woodcutter
Human testing is necessary, and while the disenfranchised are already subject to it, skipping animal testing and directly proceeding on the most vulnerable would be truly despicable.
Furthermore, if the issue is consent, then this “solution” does not resolve it at all. What you get from subjecting poor people to the choice of cold & hunger or being a test subject is not consent, and once again minorities, disabled people, LGBT and women would be the primary victims
“This being your only option would be poverty, not an alternative to it.”
it shouldn’t be anyones only option. Extremely dangerous jobs are already lots of peoples only option, and it’s a bad thing. That doesn’t mean “turn around and torture animals instead”
the problem is, right now there’s not much incentive to find cruelty free filters (i.e. making sure a novel compound is “safe enough” for human trials), in fact finding them is disincentivized because animal tests are mandatory. So we should incentivize finding better ways to test and screen new drugs. Not torture animals.
But I would prefer, if I had a fatal disease, to be told “we don’t know how to cure this because we can’t test a cure without torturing animals” than for there to be a cure at the cost of all those innocent animals being tortured.
You’d be surprised how many diseases were fatal once. Aside from fixing broken bones or something like that, drinking tea, suffering and praying it will get better are your only options for the vast majority of diseases if you truly want to live with a clear mind.
Fair enough. It would put a stop on developing new medicine for a while (5-20 years maybe?), but I can understand the opinion that “what’s done is done, we just should not continue doing that”.
The thing is, new chemical compounds are being developed all the time for all kinds of applications. What you’re saying is not really “we should let sick people die rather that try to get a cure”, horrible enough as it is, but rather “let’s dump whatever shit we come up in the environment without testing its effect first”, and while things are bad currently, there is no depth to how worse things could get if we didn’t even bother trying to prevent the worst from happening
Ah, yes, testing drugs pre-animal trial on the poor and disenfranchised sound so much better, truly the end of a dystopia
Edit: Not to mention, the meat industry produces despair of the same level while being entirely superfluous (something animal testing, unfortunately, is not) and on a scale which would be an ocean compared to the drop that is animal testing
That’s already basically what we do, lots of homeless folks do drug trials for money. And there are tons of super risky jobs people do because they pay well. But it’s not good, it should be that people do all those things for reasons other than their only options being that or poverty
This being your only option would be poverty, not an alternative to it. And highly dangerous jobs aren’t comparison here, testing drugs before animal testing is is no way a level of danger comparable to being a woodcutter
Human testing is necessary, and while the disenfranchised are already subject to it, skipping animal testing and directly proceeding on the most vulnerable would be truly despicable.
Furthermore, if the issue is consent, then this “solution” does not resolve it at all. What you get from subjecting poor people to the choice of cold & hunger or being a test subject is not consent, and once again minorities, disabled people, LGBT and women would be the primary victims
“This being your only option would be poverty, not an alternative to it.”
it shouldn’t be anyones only option. Extremely dangerous jobs are already lots of peoples only option, and it’s a bad thing. That doesn’t mean “turn around and torture animals instead”
the problem is, right now there’s not much incentive to find cruelty free filters (i.e. making sure a novel compound is “safe enough” for human trials), in fact finding them is disincentivized because animal tests are mandatory. So we should incentivize finding better ways to test and screen new drugs. Not torture animals.
But I would prefer, if I had a fatal disease, to be told “we don’t know how to cure this because we can’t test a cure without torturing animals” than for there to be a cure at the cost of all those innocent animals being tortured.
You’d be surprised how many diseases were fatal once. Aside from fixing broken bones or something like that, drinking tea, suffering and praying it will get better are your only options for the vast majority of diseases if you truly want to live with a clear mind.
I’m not saying discard all present knowledge. I’m saying stop testing on animals and find other ways to test treatments going forwards
Fair enough. It would put a stop on developing new medicine for a while (5-20 years maybe?), but I can understand the opinion that “what’s done is done, we just should not continue doing that”.
The thing is, new chemical compounds are being developed all the time for all kinds of applications. What you’re saying is not really “we should let sick people die rather that try to get a cure”, horrible enough as it is, but rather “let’s dump whatever shit we come up in the environment without testing its effect first”, and while things are bad currently, there is no depth to how worse things could get if we didn’t even bother trying to prevent the worst from happening
No, I’m saying let’s find a cure without torturing innocent animals