• Nobody@lemmy.world
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    Maybe it’s methane release. Maybe it’s gasses from the sea floor we knew nothing about. We have no fucking clue what climate change is going to look like. PR firms told scientists to put the lowest projections in press releases for the last decade. The real numbers are both grim and proving to be optimistic.

    As it turns out, the math was all wrong. Who knows why? Maybe all the Earth’s various systems are interrelated, and when one system collapses it causes dozens of other systems to collapse. Maybe Earth and the delicate balance that enabled life to grow on this planet is a little more sensitive to sudden, radical change than we thought.

    Maybe all the people who lied about climate change since the 1970s lied about more shit we’re going to find out about shortly now that we can’t stop it from happening. But they’ll still make their profits and get their taxpayer-funded subsidies, so capitalism is working as intended.

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      Gasses from the sea floor

      It’s kind of crazy to me how what felt like yesterday they were like oh yeah, let’s see how bad dredging is? Oh it’s the equivalent of the aviation industry…

      We have had very smart people working on climate change models for decades and no one ever looked into that? Or has dredging increased so much recently that it was barely a factor before?

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        We have had very smart people working on climate change models for decades and no one ever looked into that?

        The problem isn’t that no one has looked into it. The problem - and this is a general one for any scientist working in climate change or environmental protection - is that we can’t afford to raise a single false alarm. We can’t publish bad news unless we’re 100% certain, because that will give oil companies’ lawyers and ‘journalists’ enough ammo for the next fifty years. This means that published climate predictions are usually the most optimistic and conservative estimates.

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        It’s definitely increased a lot in the last few decades, as ships have gotten insanely huge.

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      I keep hearing this term but never how to redeem them? Do I need box tops? Are they paid out via a gift card? What stores take carbon credit? How do the benefits of the carbon credit card stack up compared to my Amazon Credit Card?

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The largest ever recorded leap in the amount of carbon dioxide laden in the world’s atmosphere has just occurred, according to researchers who monitor the relentless accumulation of the primary gas that is heating the planet.

    “It’s really significant to see the pace of the increase over the first four months of this year, which is also a record,” said Ralph Keeling, director of the CO2 Program at UC San Diego’s Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

    In June, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced that global concentration of CO2 had hit 421ppm, a 50% increase on pre-industrial times and the highest in millions of years.

    The rapid rise in the heat-trapping gas threatens the world with disastrous climate breakdown in the form of severe heatwaves, floods, droughts and wildfires.

    Recent research has suggested that CO2 levels were last this high around 14m years ago, causing a climate that would appear alien to people alive today.

    The previous record annual rise in CO2 took place in 2016, amid another El Niño event, which temporarily causes a spike in global temperatures.


    The original article contains 477 words, the summary contains 179 words. Saved 62%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    My guess, Russias war, Israels war, Chinas coal burning for electricity so we can have cheap stuff to throw away imeadiatelly after using it once.

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      sigh

      China is heading towards peak coal demand, national association says

      China Coal Group Says Peak Demand Imminent as Clean Power Grows

      In a major turning point for the world, China’s fossil fuel use is projected to decline starting in 2025.

      Blaming an increase in the rate of carbon increases on China’s coal consumption seems rather incongruent with the facts. Are we all choosing to ignore the second-order effects of methane emissions from natural gas? Methane does break down back to CO2, after all, but while it’s still methane it’s a substantially more potent greenhouse gas.

      Fuck. Natural. Gas.

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        Just so you know, each of the headlines you posted suggested that China’s consumption of coal is more than ever before, in agreement with the prior poster. Also clean coal has nothing to do with CO2 reduction, it’s scrubbing other nasties like SO2.

        It’s good that they’re expecting this to max out imminently, but it’s still a max.

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          Supercritical coal reactors are absolutely used to reduce CO2 emissions per unit coal, what do you mean?

          Higher efficiency -> less losses from heat/etc -> fewer emissions

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        Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the intent here, but doesn’t “heading towards peak” literally mean “increase” in this context?

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        Additionally, Chinese coal power is what provides and enables all of the cheap goods Americans can’t get enough of.

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      The USA military is the largest polluter in the world and you want to blame Russia for a special military operation it launched to stop NATO expansion to it’s largest indefensible border?

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        Unless you’re in Russia, you can call it a war. It’s embarrassing to use such a euphemism (and no, I’m not a NATO lib). Of course you are right about the pentagon’s emissions.

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          Given that Russia’s military got bigger AFTER 2 years of losing men and materiel, I would say it’s not a war but rather a targeted military operation that is achieving it’s objectives.

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            That’s the craziest thing I’ve heard in a while. Every US war has resulted in a bigger military. That’s generally how military spending works

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              The USA is both expanding it’s military and also has been losing enlistment for a long time. It’s not a good market. Ukraine, however, is a good example of a military shrinking because of a serious conflict. Russia is not in a serious conflict, it’s engaged in what amounts to a police action.

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          Israel was formed after the anti-Semitic English decided they wanted to get rid of the Jews in their empire so they issued the Balfour Declaration to create a settlement in Palestine and declared the land Terra Nullius and English soldiers massacred the inhabitants of thr land. Those inhabitants were Muslim and Jewish and Christian. After Jews began settling the land defined by the Balfour Declaration, eventually it came to pass that a Westphalian state became a goal for some. The designation of when some group of people constitute a legal state in the eyes of the European empire has a long and racist history, with all the European chauvinism that entails, like withholding statehood until specific European behaviors were adopted. The project to convert the settlement into a state had a lot of traction with the Third Reich because it would accelerate getting Jews out Europe. A lot of political support for and a lot of money for creating a state came from the Third Reich and Nazi-aligned elite.

          Since then, we have had a state of Israel, founded on anti-Semitic mass murder by English colonial forces of Jews, Christians, and Muslims (because Arabs are “uncivilized” you see), and the slow destruction by the Israeli state and its settler colonists of the lives of the people who were living there before the English invaded. The entire area has been under occupation for over a century at this point and it’s telling that there still is no official European recognition of the original inhabitants as a state.

          Then of course it gets complicated. There have been half a dozen revelations that show Netanyahu and members of his cabinet explicitly supported Hamas and militant activity in the occupied territories. Literally Netanyahu asked Arab heads of state to fund and support Hamas. He was using a technique that the USA perfected - blowback. By creating conditions that cause your weaker enemy to strike, you can trigger your pre-conceived legal regimes to support an invasion that otherwise they wouldn’t. Israel continues to say the reason it expands, imprisons, and murders is because their weaker, contained enemy is lashing out, while simultaneously deliberately creating the conditions for that lashing out to occur, and they’re doing it because they know legally they don’t have the right to just invade and wipe these people out unless those people get violent.

          This blowback strategy, by the way, is a state-level extension of agents provocateur, where the cops send a plainclothes officer into a protest and then that officer starts violence, which gives the cops the legal cover they need to break up the protest violently. Those cops in the USA, by the way, are trained by the Israeli military. This sort of thing is not new. When the USA occupied The Philippines, they needed to develop a new form of military policing to control the islands. That form was then brought back to the USA when the first state police brigade in history was formed in Pennsylvania, explicitly because local cops were starting to resist strike busting orders when it meant fighting their neighbors.

          So anyway, yes, Israel is the problem here, but really, it’s Europe. Israel would never have been a problem if the anti-semites in Europe weren’t trying to find a way to get rid of all the European Jews and decided that they should create a Jewish concentration settlement on the blood and lifeless bodies of non-Europeans (Jews and Muslims and Christians). The USA now carries the torch of the long history of European imperialism, and being a Euro-centric state, I have no problem saying that the USA is the ultimate problem in all of these conflicts as it represents the pinnacle of the European project. And it is the pinnacle, because this is the century of the fall of that project.